TURMEL PRESS 1985 - 1986
850103Th Toronto Star Letter, Trevor Hancock Last minute bill is unfair to small parties A major disservice to democracy has been perpetrated in a sneaky and underhanded way. On the final day of this sitting, all three parties passed Bill 17 which changes candidate requirements. After little or no serious discussion or public scrutiny, it is now necessary for candidates to put up $200. For new small parties, this will mean spending $26,000 on deposits at an election and reduces our ability to get out word out. Perhaps that was their intent? Compounding this affront to democracy, neither the Greens nor the Libertarians who are registered were informed of the pending legislation. Is it normal practice to fail to notify organizations most affected by a piece of legislation or is this undemocratic approach solely reserved for political rivals?
850107Mo and 850118Th Ottawa Citizen Letter, John Turmel Stolen goods Your Dec. 18, 1984 editorial titled "Debating politics beyond the fringe" is based on some unfortunate factual errors and unfair conclusions. 1) You stated that CJOH-TV "was simply applying the policy it has followed for the past decade, which stipulates that only candidates from parties that have elected members provincially or federally can participate. Other candidates are allowed to tape a one-minute statement." That excuse by Max Keeping is false! I'm sure many people remember when I was on the live CJOH debate during the 1981 provincial general election and made Michael Cassidy back down from a $3000:1 bet. The Citizen chose to suppress how I had made fun of him that same evening during the St. John's church debate while Le Droit's coverage of me at that meeting took up a full quarter page. It was lucky for Cassidy since he won by only a few hundred votes. If the Citizen had printed the whole truth as did Le Droit, he might have lost and Mr. David Small would probably have won. I had stressed at every single "all-candidates" meeting how I objected to the format of the upcoming CJOH debate because I had been invited to the debates in 1979, 1980, 1981 with all of the other major party candidates. Only since 1982 did Max Keeping decide to change the format from the fair, democratic "all-candidates" debate to a format where minor candidates were excluded. Mr. Bird, Mr. Green, and Ms. Gigantes were aware that it was because I had gotten used to my fair share of the airtime pie that I had charged Mr. Keeping with illegally converting my share to the use of the other candidates in the 1983 Stormont-Dundas-Glengarry provincial by- election. That motion was only reported by the Citizen once it had reached the Supreme Court of Canada in a Dec. 4, 1984 article titled "Two candidates seek rulings on TV debate" where it mentions that "Turmel tried to get Max Keeping charged with theft, breach of trust, and conspiracy for not letting him participate in a political debate broadcast by the station Dec. 6, 1983." The other candidates were also aware that I would be charging Max again if he cheated me again but this time I would also be charging any candidates who accepted my share of the airtime pie with having accepted stolen goods. I will be keeping the Citizen up to date when I charge Gigantes like I kept you up to date when I charged Keeping and it will be your choice to ignore the progress of this new legal action as you ignored the progress of the last one. I'm sorry your reporters covering the all-candidates meetings never thought to mention that it was the contradiction between the old and the new CJOH formats which I was objecting to. Otherwise, you would have known that Keeping's statement was untrue. When I first read Keeping's reason in the Dec. 5, 1984 Jennifer Jackson article titled "Exclusion of 3 candidates sparks TV debate boycott", I telephoned her to point out that Keeping's excuse was not true. Knowing that the Citizen is a member of the Ontario Press Council and must correct factual errors when they are pointed out, I expected that the truth would come out. When it did not, I reasoned that she preferred to not embarrass Keeping by pointing out that he had lied, I telephoned the Citizen newsroom a second time. Again, Keeping's falsity was not corrected. It now seems that you have been a victim of your own paper's refusal to print the truth. Realizing that all candidates used to be treated fairly before Max took personal control of the debates, Mr. Bird and Mr. Green knew that his statement was false and acted accordingly. 2) You criticized Mr. Bird and Mr. Green for walking off the stage "at the last moment" in support of the minor candidates' democratic rights to equal treatment and called their action "grandstanding." I think that is very unfair of you, especially after Jennifer Jackson mentioned that they were waiting for the results of two motions, one of them mine, for injunctions against exclusion of minor candidates which were heard in the Supreme Court of Ontario on the very afternoon of the debate. Unfortunately, when the presiding Justice did not give the minor candidates justice, it was up to the major candidates to give us justice and two out of three did. Even as the motion was being dismissed, I pointed out that in the long run, the final decision was not up to the courts nor the stations. When the candidates object to unfair rules and refuse to play, there is no game. The judge must have been shocked to have that happen that very night. That Gigantes chose to stay and score all her points on an empty net is an empty victory. A farce. Max Keeping ran Ontario's first and only "one-candidate" debate and Gigantes was the candidate in Ontario's one and only "one- candidate" debate, to her everlasting shame! 3) You say that if CJOH wants to exclude minor candidates, that is its judgment to make. Not in a democratic nations. I pointed out to the other candidates that in France, all candidates had to be treated equally (App. A). I also pointed out that in England, "a candidate cannot take part in a program if any of his rivals neither takes part nor consents to its taking place" (App. B). You don't seem to care whether or not Max Keeping's decision was democratic or not. Evidently, Mr. Bird and Mr. Green did, Gigantes did not. That you don't care if it is right and democratic to exclude some candidates is not very smart. It may not have dawned on you that the reason democracy is optimal is that all ideas get an equal chance of airing. The winner may even learn something from the losers! The one thing one can be sure of is that after years of having members in federal and provincial Parliaments, the Big Three parties do not have any major answers to economic problems. The wish to restrict coverage to only parties that have no answers is an unmistakable sign of intellectual inferiority. You must be in agreement with CJSB's Ed Needham who broadcast an open-line show he titled "Are fringe candidates polluting the elections?" You and he would probably feel much more comfortable with purity of the "one-candidate" debates in communist systems where there are no fringe candidates to pollute their elections. 4) Finally, you unfairly implied that Mr. Green and Mr. Bird were hypocritical to accept coverage by the Citizen which you admitted was biased in their favour and to take part in a CHEZ-Radio debate where the minor candidates were given less time in another time slot. Candidates have no direct control over what newspapers do with interviews but they do have control over how the electronic media covers them. I agree with you when you point out that you have always biased election coverage in favour of the major candidates but you only get away with such undemocratic prejudicing of electoral odds because there is no regulation forcing you to be fair and equitable to all rival candidates. This is not so with the electronic media. Section 9(1) of the CRTC's Television Broadcasting Regulations states that free time broadcasts must be allocated "on an equitable basis to all parties and rival candidates". Unfortunately, Max Keeping decided that he wanted to control what the voters get to hear just as you control what the voters get to read. Though you can get away with it because there is no similar restriction on you to be fair and for that reason I have never launched a legal attack against you for your undemocratic and inequitable treatment of me, you must be aware I have always launched legal attacks against television stations for their undemocratic and inequitable treatment of candidates precisely because the CRTC regulation exists. I don't believe that the fact that you always prejudice your coverage is any reason that they should accept it when Max Keeping tries to prejudice his coverage. With respect to the CHEZ debate, I'd bet they took part without giving much thought to format. I'd point out that once the issue was raised at the very first candidates' meeting where the organizers were not going to allow the minor candidates to take part, they did the honourable thing. I asked Gigantes if she would support my right to participate. She refused outright. I asked both Mr. Bird and Mr. Green. They did and the organizers backed down. I and Greg Vezina did participate. From the start, Mr. Green and Mr. Bird supported full candidate participation and Gigantes did not. I feel that because they may have taken part in a debate before the issue was raised is a weak criticism on your part. Their actions from the very first time I asked for their support are what really count. I believe that since your criticism was based on falsities and ignorance of democratic principles, you owe both Mr. Green and Mr. Bird an apology. Before you look to find a straw in their eyes, you should check out the log in yours! I appreciate the actions of those honourable gentlemen and feel very sorry that Gigantes dishonourably benefited from her undemocratic behaviour which I promised her I would henceforth call "cheating." I insist that you correct Mr. Keeping's lie now that it has been pointed out to you or I will again resort to the Ontario Press Council. I do not make such undertakings lightly but, as you will no doubt remember, when I last to appeal to the Quebec Court of Appeal but there's a minor problem. So far they don't seem to realize that they moved too soon and if I file an appeal, the judge might find out and not hand down his decision. The judge who heard the opposition's two week early motion for final judgment still hasn't handed down his decision yet. It's forcing me to delay the leave application till the very last day. Finally, you unfairly implied that Mr. Green and Mr. Bird were hypocritical to accept coverage by The Citizen which you admitted was biased in their favor. Candidates have no control over what newspapers do with interviews but they do have control over how the electronic media covers them.
850118Fr Ottawa Citizen Letter, Locky Beckstead Listen to views of all candidates CJOH should change its policy. I'm sure this is why Messrs. Green and Bird boycotted the debate. They were trying to communicate to CJOH that neither it nor any other news agency should assume that candidates who run independently or for minority parties are not worthy of equal time. If I did not wish to hear the views of "fringe" candidates, I would not watch the debate period. That's why I oppose CJOH's idea of limiting their speeches to 1 minute.
850125Fr Ottawa Citizen, Peter Calamai Supreme Court aims to reduce trivial appeals The SCC wants to become more accessible by stopping every Tom, Dick and Harriet from walking into the courtroom with a potential appeal. It has asked John Crosbie to tighten up the procedure for getting a case before the court, Chief Justice Brian Dickson said. Gone would be everyone's existing right to a 15 minutes oral argument about why his case is important enough to go to the full nine-judge court. The personal appearance by an individual or his lawyer is guaranteed when appeals are finished in lower courts and after the necessary written material is filed in Ottawa. Instead, oral hearings would be limited to borderline cases. Trivial issues and obviously important disputes would be rejected or accepted on written arguments alone. "The court feels it's a move in the right direction to make the court more accessible by making it more economical" said Dickson. He said the current practice of guaranteed oral hearings on all applications is very expensive, especially of judges' time. The court is likely to hear 600 such applications this year but approve no more than 110 for full hearing. Justice Willard Estey said the public should be consulted before a change is made. "The right to be heard is pretty fundamental." Dickson said the Supreme Court intends to continue being generous in granting persons the right to be heard. "I would want to be the last to close the door to anyone who wants to have access to this court." (as he tried to close the door.)
850211Mo Ottawa Focus Magazine, Randy Cantera Political preservation Caricature of me with a beggar's cup for votes saying "Won't you please donate your vote today? Yes. With your single vote, you could keep a rare political animal from extinction. John Turmel is a political animal on the endangered list. Like the once plentiful Grit (partia naturalium governicus) there are not many John Turmels out there in the Canadian political bush. And, more likely than not, what's left of the species will disappear by the end of the century. Needless to say, its' death will only be acknowledged by the minute cult of die-hard devotees who may well be shedding its tears from behind mental institution walls. Turmel is a local ideological dynamo who, for the past 5 years, had dedicated his life to 3 things: the Greenback system, court cases and professional gambling. All 3 are interchangeable in status; one would be unnecessary without the other. The Greenback system is what the 33- year-old Turmel has stumped for in close to 20 campaigns in all three political arenas. Touted as a cure-all for our nation's ailments, this simplistic, unorthodox economic program would outlaw interest rates and have citizens pay their taxes by working for the state or city. For his pains, Everyman would be give tradeable tax credit notes. In spite of the seemingly bottomless reservoir of passion and persuasion he discharges through his speeches and face-to-ace discussions, his ballot support has yet to break the 2,000 mark. The Carleton University alumnus, whose insignia is "The Engineer" has a high sense of indignation. Whenever said sense is triggered, he doesn't merely complain. He instead uses every legal and communicative outlet available to redress the problem. Whether it be an irate letter to the editor, a fiery lawsuit or a public denunciation, Turmel never allows his opponents the luxury of forgetting about him. For instance, it would be hard to picture Turmel being on the Christmas card list of CJOH news director Max Keeping. Especially after Turmel christened the anchorman as "Ottawa's very own Ted Baxter. Keeping had prevented the independent candidate from participating in a CJOH television debate during the recent Ottawa Centre by-election. It would be just as unlikely to find a soft spot in the heart of Russ Mills for Turmel. Particularly in light of a recent lawsuit Turmel brought against the Citizen for character defamation focusing on an editorial which commented on the plaintiff's alleged disruption of a Green Party nomination meeting. And you would have to be in the Twilight Zone if you were greeted with the sight of Turmel and Ottawa Centre MPP Michael Cassidy toasting one another over a quiet lunch for two. Unless Cassidy had forgotten the challenge Turmel flung in his face during a 1981 provincial election. Raising the odds at 3,000 to 1, Turmel defied Cassidy to prove to him that his economic theories were unsound. Cassidy declined the offer. But Turmel hounded the incumbent throughout the campaign chiding him for being "chicken." There have been many other equally newsworthy incidents and lawsuits initiated by the electrical engineering graduate. As can be imagined, multiple court cases can a strain on one's income while elections campaigns are known to be monopolizers of one's schedule. Consequently, Turmel had a trade which has proved most compatible with his peculiar life-style. As a free-lance player of cards and dice, Turmel manages to keep his pockets lined through fly-by-night competitive encounters with like-minded individuals. Reading the previous paragraphs draws one to this conclusion: everything about this highly persistent seeker of majority approval is clearly out of whack with the present political atmosphere. This may explain why Turmel has always campaigned as an independent and why he is looked upon as a water-headed loon by a good number of constituents. Perhaps a century ago, Turmel's efforts would have reaped more encouraging results. Canadian were more receptive to politicians with visions, however myopic. Such individuals were headstrong and confrontational by nature which was fine for the times as well compatible with the dominant medium of the day: public speaking. In the BM, (Before Microphones) era, a public office applicant projected his thoughts and emotions in a volume with an expressiveness which would seem ludicrous, if not down-right scary in today's electronic age. Anyone who has seen John Turmel behind the podium can confirm this. The hard-hat wearing political gadfly is a sideshow of fervid declarations and ferris wheel body language. He doesn't need a microphone, what he needs is a nineteenth century constituency. His is a vaudeville act hopelessly marooned in television society. The theme song wailed among unsuccessful politicians and their flustered supporters is built around the refrain "substance should count more than image" (which now can be heard within the John Turner camp.) ... Television has slowly changed the electorate into "cool" constituents. As such, we are leery of candidates who don't look telegenic and can't ooze aural vapor at the drop of a floor director's hand. They have one vision; that of the polls. They do not court controversy; they defuse it. They operate on the maxim "the circumstances dictate the principle." To paraphrase our Prime Minister, there's no whore like a successful whore. John Turmel is many things, but he's no whore. Whores are pragmatic, crafty and know the game well enough not to tamper with it. Turmel not only tries to tamper, he does his damnedest to bludgeon it. He has no hope of succeeding. People are creatures of habit and for many of us, voting for one of the three major parties is one of those habits. Acknowledging other candidates would only clutter things up. In the face of such apathy, Turmel continues to hammer his theme into the local subconscious. Regarded by many as the political village idiot, he snarls and gropes for recognition. In return, he receives notoriety when he's lucky, cold shoulders when he's not. If Turmel is as intelligent as he purports to be, he would realize just how much of a square peg he is in the circle game. Visionaries make for great religious revivals but as far as a career in modern Canadian politics goes, they are much of a handicap as would be a speech impediment. I nurse no pretensions of being an economist. So whether or not the Greenback system is so much shaman babbling is a question I won't address. Turmel's right to equal time in terms of media coverage and participation in any and all debates, however, is one I will support. Turmel should be allowed to say his sales pitch and given the exact amount of opportunities as his opponents, be they mainstream or otherwise. Democracy should be at its most ideal form during an election. With the exception of violent racists, there should be room for everyone willing to invest the time and money to conduct a campaign. As far as I know, there's no law against variety, nor should there be; we would certainly be the worst for it. Meantime, people should watch and listen to John Turmel very closely. He's an oddity and worthy of attention -- if only for the memories to be had. Years from now, stories about the John Turmels in our lives will wow grandchildren and historians the world over.
Ottawa Citizen RCMP probing complaints of improper voting conduct The RCMP is investigating complaints of improper conduct during the federal election where two people were disorderly at an all-candidates meeting during the campaign. This is not a complaint against Gauvin but one laid against me by Trevor Hancock. Sgt. Lafleur of the RCMP recently requested a statement from me about the Beaches incident. I'm preparing the Ed Needham show and the excerpts I have on the meeting on tape for him with a memorandum. I could state the facts, how I objected to being removed and argued how Hancock wanted to answer the question too but didn't have the guts to stand up and insist when his rights were infringed upon. Either the moderator had the right to control questions and have me evicted or I had the right to answer and not be evicted. If I have the right, I want it stated by the Justice Department. If I didn't, I did disrupt and I should be prosecuted. If I'm not charged, I want the report to state that the moderator erred. If I erred, I must be charged. So either report the my right was violated or charge me and let me argue it before a court.
850501We Ottawa Citizen, Bruce Ward The Rae campaign was dogged by fringe candidate John Turmel throughout the day. Turmel, a familiar sight on Parliament Hill with his picket sign and white hard hat, waved a wad of $100 bills at television cameras and challenged Rae to wager on the outcome of the debate. In Hamilton, a shoving match developed when an NDP campaigner stepped in front of Turmel.
Ottawa Citizen, Jacquie Miller TV stations may be treating Green Party unfairly: CRTC Television stations CJOH and CBOT may not be giving a fair amount of coverage to the Green party and its Ottawa West candidate in the provincial election, says the federal agency that regulates television. But the CRTC won't make a firm ruling on the issue until after Thursday's election. CRTC Secretary-General Fernand Belisle sent a telegram Tuesday to CBOT, CJOH and candidate Greg Vezina saying there is a "reasonable possibility" the stations aren't treating the party fairly. However, Belisle gave no reason why the commission won't rule quickly on Vezina's complaints that he was barred from political debates at both stations and couldn't make a free-time political broadcast at CBOT. (Won't say why until pie is eaten) In the telegram, Belisle reminded the stations of the obligations under CRTC regulations to give time "on an equitable basis to all parties and rival candidates." However, the word "equitable" is open to interpretation by the commission, said CRTC official Pierre Pontbriand. Vezina said the telegram is "crystal clear notice that they are treading on thin ice." The Green party, which concentrates on disarmament and environmental issues, will remain a fringe party if the media continue to brand it one, he says. Lionel Lumb, executive producer of CBOT's Newsday, said the stations has been fair to Vezina. Green party views have been included in several news stories aired during the campaign. But only candidates from the three major parties were invited to participate in the CBC station's 14 minute debates for each of eight local ridings. While fringe candidates weren't given equal time, they were given equitable coverage over the course of the campaign. The CBC also offered free-time political broadcasts only to the three major parties. CJOH station manager Al MacKay said his lawyers are trying to figure out the meaning of the CRTC telegram. In this election, CJOH isn't running debates for each local riding, as it has in the past. Instead, the station aired two half-hour debates on election issues but only invited representatives from the three major parties because of the increasing number of independent candidates. (or decreasing)
Ottawa Citizen, Kelly Egan The gloves come off in Ottawa Centre race Think of the December election in Ottawa Centre as low-key and sometimes spirited series of skirmishes. By comparison, the flavor of this campaign could be considered a bare-fisted brawl. Only five months after a by-election race that easily sent NDP MPP Evelyn Gigantes to Queen's Park, much of the civility that marked that first campaign has vanished. After firing scathing press releases at each other, the parties say they're going to far as to seek legal advice on the matter. Independent candidate John Turmel is getting into the act, stooping so low as to liken Gigantes to a prostitute because she appeared alone on a television debate while the other main candidates boycotted the debate in the December run-off. She placed 2,295 votes ahead of Bird and 2,963 ahead of Green in December. This time, the NDP justice critic is facing Bird, Liberal newcomer Pat Legris and Turmel.
850524Fr Ottawa Citizen, Charles Gordon Bigger, better than the news itself, news machine makes things happen No one has ever seen the man -- or it may be a woman -- who runs the News Machine. This man or woman, if he or she exists, has immense power. If the man or woman does not exist, the Machine itself has immense power. It is better not to think about that. The News Machine cranks into it highest gear for the big news events of the day: the leaders' debate, the leadership convention, the federal budget, the birth of sextuplets, the tasting of the Beaujolais nouveau. When the News Machine is in high gear, everything in its path must fall. The News machine is more powerful than the news. It tells the news when to happen. It tells the news not to happen during the hockey game. The news has no choice but to agree. For weeks before the news happens, the News Machine pounds out the news that the news is going to happen. It interviews everybody in sight about what the news is going to be, then interviews everyone again about to comment on what might be the implications of what the news might be when the news happens. When the news actually happens, the News Machine only quickens the pace. No one is safe. In the federal budget, politicians and officials are scrummed within an inch of their lives. No one with the tiniest amount of expertise can hide from the News Machine.
850605We Toronto Star Picture of me with my sign "Bob Rae favors excluding minor candidates from election debates" behind others with a sign "Will the next premier of Ont. please stand up?" CONFUSED VOTERS: A group of protesters outside the Legislature yesterday indicate their concern about who really is running the province. The New Democrats have made a pact with the Liberals to defeat Premier Frank Miller at the end of the Throne Speech.
850606Th Ottawa Citizen, Parliamentary Notebook The official report of Chief Electoral Officer Jean-Marc Hamel on the 1984 election states that Mulroney described himself as "lawyer and statesman," Sinclair Stevens and John Turner as "Queen's Counsel," Joe Clark as "university lecturer," John C. Turmel as "banking systems engineer" and his brother Ray as "bankfighter."
850716Tu Ottawa Citizen, Charles Lynch Lynch later said he though the success of the Speaker's Corner will depend on how spontaneous it becomes. "They got lucky today and there was a spontaneous outburst. Otherwise, the crowd was too quiet." He added that "If there can be the kind of life that was provided by the one dissenter (Charette), it will act as a focus and it will pull the nuts and bolts and ... the loony tunes off the Hill. I've always been uneasy about the Hill being the main place for demonstrations and things."
850718Th Ottawa Citizen Editorial cartoon, King A voter wearing a set of optical lenses with a Network News Man sitting on top of his head holding reins controlling where he can look while looking at the ratings chart. Wonderful!
850924Tu CBOT-TV, Peter Lockyer Peter's People: John Turmel profile. Shot in front of the Bank of Canada, at the Exhibition, at an accordion concerts at Vincent Massey park. Ian Parker: "Love him or hate him, John Turmel is one of the most colorful characters this city can boast. Peter introduces you to the John Turmel you never knew."
851029Tu Le Droit Cheques des assistes sociaux Two of the creditiste candidates took advantage of the debate at Ottawa City Hall yesterday to announce the creation of the network of small businesses who will cash, without commission, the cheques of people on social assistance. John Turmel is running against Ben Franklin and Walter McPhee is running for Ottawa mayor. For several days, the creditiste candidates have taken on the establishments who discount the social assistance cheques.
CBO-RADIO, Michael Sourial Money Marts Nancy: There were picket signs and protesters outside Ottawa's two Money Mart stores yesterday. Money Mart is the check-cashing service that cashes almost any check, from almost anybody, for a six percent fee. Little ID is needed and above all, Money Mart will cash a post- dated check at any time. The protesters, led by Ottawa's John Turmel, say Money Mart preys on the poor, people who need their welfare and their UIC benefits before the date on the check. Mr. Turmel has been organizing a network of local businesses who will provide the same services as Money Mart, for free. Michael Sourial has more on the story. Sourial: Morning to you, Nancy. John Turmel argues the customers of Money Mart are people who can't get bank accounts or VISA cards, or any credit. He says they don't go there out of choice and he is most upset with the post-dated check business that Money Mart does. Right now, today for example, welfare checks are arriving across Ottawa but they're dated for this Friday, the first of November. The only place that will cash them before then is Money Mart. "Unfair" says Mr. Turmel. Turmel: "They are taking away from the poorest of the poor, the people who are so desperate, they can't wait a few days to cash their check. I don't object to any of their other enterprises, you know, transferring money, doing bills, hydro bills, but unfortunately, they are taking money away from the poorest of the people and we've just provided an alternative. These businesses don't get interest on their money so they don't mind taking the checks and we've organized them. Any group of people with an ID system in any town could help their poor by basically doing this. MM's Steve Clark: The man, who as a very poor reputation for unfounded speculation, obviously, he's motivated by political aspiration ... If John Turmel was sincere about his cause and perceived that there was a real problem, I ask "Why did he not contact us to discuss and clarify the issue?" Sourial: That's Steve Clark, the spokesman for Money Mart in Victoria. No one in Ottawa would be interviewed. Mr. Clark says it's a matter of choice, that Money Mart doesn't cater to the desperate but rather provides a decent and fair service. Steve Clark: I'll give you an example. The guy is off work. He goes home, gets a call from a friend, okay, a buddy from work. He gets a phone call that says "Look, let's go out tonight. Such and such and such are in town. Let's go see them." The guy says "Well, no. I can't. I don't have any money." The other end of the phone says "Gee, well you've got your pay check. You'll have enough money and we can all go out." That' a typical example of a customer. Turmel: Rich now, they have no other alternative, right? If a welfare mother happens, due to an emergency, to need the money today and not in three days, she's forced to come. And I've cashed checks for two women who said "That's exactly my situation. I just had to get it cashed today and I couldn't wait." So there are some people out there who are not coming here so they can get beer money. They're coming here because they need it right now, and they're the ones we are going to help. Sourial: The basic defence Money Mart makes is that it's a free country here and that they don't force anyone to use their business. But "why would anyone have six percent deducted off their check," I asked "who could have it cashed for nothing at a bank? Their answer is "It's more convenient at Money Mart, that's why people pay the six percent, they say. But with banking machines, later banking hours, and even credit cards, I put it to Mr. Clark that it's only post-dated check cashing that sets Money Mart apart. He maintained "No, it's a convenience." Steve Clark: It's difficult to maintain a personal bank account, for example. Sourial: How is it? What's the difficulty. Steve Clark: The difficulty in maintaining a personal bank account? Well, again, it's choice. These people have a choice. They choose to pay for their needs in cash. Sourial: But this is the point Mr. Turmel is making, is that they don't have a choice. That they have been forced to go over to your Money Mart system. This is why I'm asking you. You're telling me that they're coming over because it is difficult to maintain a bank account. I'm saying "What's the difficulty? Specifically?" Steve Clark: In other words, it's not a difficulty. They do it by choice. It's easier to purchase your items with cash than with check. We're open 12 hours a day including most holidays and immediately walk up, cash their checks in a matter of minutes and be able to leave with that cash. Sourial: True for any banking machine, Mr. Clark, so again, I'll ask "What's the difference other than post-dated checks?" Steve Clark: The people ... really ... I mean, you have to ask yourself ... I don't understand why you keep asking the same question. Sourial: Mr. Clark would not name any service that Money Mart offers that banks don't, except for post-dated check cashing and that's John Turmel's main target. Mr. Turmel has convinced 16 local businesses to participate and cash post-dated checks. The two businesses we called from his list confirmed their willingness to compete with Money Mart say and at no charge to the customer. The picketers outside Money Mart say they are also interested in helping the poor who can't get services from banks by giving them an alternative to Money Mart. Protester: We want to help the people that the Money Mart is charging six percent off of each dollar. There was one lady that come down and she had a seven hundred dollar check and they were going to charge her forty dollars to cash it. So she came down to the Social Credit Party and they cashed it for nothing. And I say it is the poor people. She had a little sick child with her at the time. Steve Clark: If you are telling me people on Social Assistance are using our convenience service because they are running out of money each month, then your problem is not with Money Mart, okay. You should look at your social assistance programs. Are you educating your recipients on sound personal monthly management? Sourial: John Turmel say's he's already cut into Money Mart's business by about ten thousand dollars. This week will be a busy one since checks are already arriving, checks no one will cash until November first, except Money Mart. If you go to a Money Mart in the next couple of days, you will be offered, outside, by John Turmel and his people, the choice of having your check cashed for free at one of 16 participating local businesses and that is without losing the six percent. Nancy: Will they cash those checks without you making a purchase? Sourial: They will, as long as you have the correct identification which John Turmel is handing out. Nancy: Michael Sourial, thank you.
851101Fr CBOT-TV Money Mart Report Turmel complaint
Dear Sir: REPORTER MISSED PICKETERS: In the Nov. 1, 1985 NEWSDAY report on the Money Mart check-cashing operations, I find it hard to believe that your reporter could have failed to note Social Credit Party of Ontario members who were picketing the Ottawa Money Marts she was reporting on. No mention was made that over 100 people had been diverted from the Money Marts to sources who would cash those checks for free. She found a spokesman to castigate them from an organization with similar views though not even associated with the protest that was taking place. In essence, she found herself a non-picketer opposition spokesman after by-passing the picketers to interview the picketees. REPORTER MINIMIZED ACTUAL INTEREST CHARGED: She erroneously minimized the actual percent Money Marts take from repeat victims. She told the poor the minimum they would lose was 3%. It is actually 3 & 3/4%. Three quarters of a percent may not mean much to most people but is a great deal to those who are forced to resort to these services out of financial desperation. On a $700 Family Benefits check at the 3% reported minimum charge, a needy family would expect to only lose $21. At the true 3&3/4% rate, the needy family would actually lose $26.25, $5.25 more than her story indicated. She certainly did not stress how a whopping 6% would be taken out of the check, $42.00 if the check were being cashed for the first time! Since government checks came out one day before they could be negotiated this month, even with simple interest, calculate for yourself how much these interest rates for one day amount to on a yearly basis to appreciate the burden imposed on the poor. While I feel they prey on the poor, your reporter preferred to call it catering to the demand. REPORTER LABELLED POLITICAL AUSPICES "A HITCH": At the end of the story, she casually mentioned that John Turmel's Social Credit Party of Ontario and 16 Ottawa FOSTER MERCHANTS had implemented a cure but there was a hitch. The ID cards were issued under the auspices of the Social Credit Party of Ontario. Whose name would she suggest be on the card if not the name of the political party which is guaranteeing the checks to the participating merchants. What good is an ID card if issued under no auspices? Since no other organization has undertaken anything at all to help, I feel that it is unfair to imply that having one's identification certified by a political party which happens to be the only group addressing an ignored need is a hitch. What if one of the other established political political parties had done the same thing while Parliamentarians scratched their heads over the matter, would it have been labelled a hitch? I submit that such a label is unfair when the alternative is to remain without good ID. I hope her report has not dissuaded any people from taking advantage of our remedial source of free photo identification and check cashing. The greatest advantage of organizing such aid to the poor through a political party is that government subsidies will be available. We do provide a quite expensive identification card for free and we hope to have these expenditures subsidized once we are registered. There are too many advantages in helping the poor by doing it under the auspices of a political party registered in Ontario. If your reporter can find any improper or malevolent motives in my use of a political party to further the aims described or suggest alternative and more acceptable auspices than a political party, I would certainly like to hear it. MEDIA SAT ON THE CURE I would point out that the fact that only CBO radio's Michael Sourial informed his listeners that our group was intercepting people who were desperate enough to be going to the Money Marts and sending them to check cashing sources. Enclosed is a recording of his report. We cashed almost $38,000 in checks in 3 days and still have many merchants with money left. But the other members of the media did not inform on what we were doing and directly prolonged the agony by suppressing information of the cure. That means that all those who suffered out the waiting period till the check could be cleared in deprivation suffered needlessly. Had they been informed of our services, the problem would have been solved for many more. VICTIMS OF DELAY TO TELEPHONE REPORTERS: I'll be sure to have people who suffered so call their favorite radio and television stations and newspapers and ask why they never informed them that Turmel and McPhee would have cashed checks for free at City Halls. Sincerely yours, John C. Turmel P.S. 3 & 3/4% interest for 1 day compounded at simple interest for one year is: = 3 & 3/4% X 365 days = 1368.75%
851103Su Ottawa Herald A look at the fringes The world is moving fast. It's the era of the 30-second clip. At election time, candidates are sized up and sorted out in the wink of a camera's eye or the flick of a steno pad. Those assessed as "not serious" are shunted to the fringes of the electoral respectability. And in the process, we lost sight of that fragile thing called democracy. Ignoring fringe candidates makes them angry. "Who are you to decide which people are worth voting for?" they ask the media and organizers of public forums. They're right. Even the simple allotment of time and space to particular candidates has its own built-in editorial judgment that journalists and organizers must constantly be wary of. As for writing people off because they have no chance of winning -- that's smug and small-minded. In the race for the Ottawa mayoralty, Catterall and Durrell are the heavyweights. But, there are five people running for mayor -- not two. They run the gamut of the types of people racing "on the fringes " of an election. Walter McPhee is associated with the Turmels, perennial candidates in the Ottawa area. Allan Jones is a retired businessman. He had to close his business in 1979 because the street where it was located was shut down for construction by the city. He's basically running because of that one issue. Nabil Fawzy recently filed an application to prohibit the Board of Trade from moderating candidates' meetings sponsored by the city which was dismissed on technicalities. Fawzy was upset at being excluded from public forums. This is happening more and more. It shouldn't. We may not like what some of these candidates say but we should -- and we must -- defend their right to say it.
851110Su Ottawa Herald, Susan Sherring Political outsiders and crusaders always surface at election time -- along with the inevitable debates about democracy. How to treat these so-called "fringe candidates" is a touchy issue. It may come as surprise to Ottawa electors to learn there are five candidates running for mayor. However, just two, Catterall and Durrell have received the lion's share of media attention and interest by private organizations during this municipal campaign. They have been referred to as the major opponents or main contenders. The other three have been coined fringe candidates. Walter McPhee is running under the Social Credit banner and is supported by perennial candidate John Turmel. Two central issues emerge. First of all, who, if anyone, has the right to determine which candidates are on the fringe? And secondly, do organizations or the media have the right to favor coverage to certain candidates? In recent history, the issue of fringe candidates has been revived every time there's an election. Caroline Andrew, a municipal affairs professor at Ottawa U. said the issue is a complicated one and can't be solved by just giving all candidates equal press or invitations to speak. (And she teaches our youth?) "The so-called fringe candidates can spoil debate if they are given absolutely equal time because some are running on marginal issues and this poses a problem to electors. TV has often taped interviews with fringe candidates while the major opponents are given more air time. This is somewhat of a solution but still points out which ones are marginal. But it is not a role of the media to decide which are major and which issues are minor, but the media is obliged to decide. That's the problem. It's not up to any of us to exclude ideas. The problem is how to have a system that has all the ideas yet try in some way to reflect ideas from the public. For example, John Turmel and Social Credit deform the real issues. The media is so important that any kind of judgment is a choice. The media is becoming an actor in the political process, not a participant," Andrew suggested. An interesting case is that of Stephen Clark, 26, the mayor of Brockville. Then, the 22-year-old unemployed fine arts graduate decided to run for mayor. It is safe to assume that had he run in Ottawa, he would have been considered a fringe candidate. However, in Brockville, he was given equal treatment and won. Clark said he feels it is only fair for all candidates to be given equal treatment. "How can you call it an all-candidates' meeting if not everyone can attend? Maybe in Ottawa it's different, but here everyone is given a fair chance. The way the system is written, there is certain criteria for running and it says nothing about what a candidate's platform is. I sympathize with them. Maybe there's a difference between the way you do things there, but here all people are invited. I think that's fair, Clark said. In one instance, the Ottawa Board of Trade held a mayoralty debate and invited only the two "front-runners" to attend. The other candidates protested. Michael Church said the board voted to have just two at their meeting. "It's not different then if you had a meeting in your own home. (Media invited?) I believe everyone should have access to the election but they should consider the office that they are running for. They should have to pay their dues. (They all did unless he means special requirements set privately by him and his back-room cronies) I'd like to see them have to post a bond. (Make sure a poor man never gets in their way) If they got between 6 and 10% of the vote, they'd get the bond back with interest. That way, they'd think twice before running without public support. If they had support, the people would be willing to put the money forward," Church suggested. With no easy solution in sight, the debate continues. This week, Catterall and Durrell were invited to attend a live debate with Max Keeping on CJOH. The other three were given the chance to do a one minute taped interview which they turned down. (Not true) The trio has suggested that Keeping has killed democracy with Jones claiming the sacrifices he made fighting for democracy in the Second World War were in vain. Andrew points out democracy is the will of the people to choose and said democracy is not at stake. "If you ignore them, you bias judgment. On the other hand, if you accord them too much attention, you also bias judgment. (What about equal?) It's a real sticky situation with no way to win and it's very difficult to come to terms with. For the media, it is a really hard problem and there is no way to be fair."
851114Th Carleton University Charlatan, S. D. Goldstein Money Mart: No cheques for free, inaccessibility leaves last resort rip-off Money Marts are exploiting the very people who can least afford it. Some of the people grumble as they are handed their money -- less three of six per cent -- depending on whether this is their first visit to the Money Mart. "My cheque came and it's dated for the first of this month," says an elderly woman. I have nothing the house to feed my grandchildren and the bank wouldn't cash my cheque, because I don't got no ID and I don't got enough money to keep an account." This is the same situation faced every month by some of Canada's two million welfare recipients. Banks will not cash post-dated cheques nor will they cash a cheque from someone who does not hold an account with them. Opening an account requires identification low-income earners cannot afford such as a $56 driver's licence or major credit card. By the time the month's cheque comes, these people nee the money immediately. They have no choice but to go to a company like Money Mart where a portion of their cheque is used as payment. "These people are exploiting the very people who can least afford it" said Debbie Hugh-Geoffrion, a worker for the Ottawa-based National Anti-Poverty Organization (NAPO). She balks at the thought of them being a service. "They are nothing but a rip-off." Clark refused comment on that allegation saying they only grant interviews to "well-known" news organizations. He said questions submitted in writing will be looked over and a response will be sent out. "That's what he told me too," said Michael Jenson who wrote an article on them for Toronto's NOW magazine last spring. To date, Jenson has not even received a letter of acknowledgment. The banks would seem to be the obvious place to cash a cheque but this solution proves the most difficult because the Bank Act clearly states that banks are prohibited from charging surcharges on government cheques. "When you go into a bank, they make you feel like a criminal" says Bertha Billings, an Ottawa welfare recipient. "They wouldn't accept my cheque because I didn't have enough ID." Billings is not alone in her anguish. Patrons leaving the Money Mart expressed their distaste for financial institutions. "I'm just getting back on my feet and I can't afford a bank account right now," says a young man. He tried opening a bank account but the bank wanted to hold the funds for 10 days to make sure it was not bogus. "It's a big racket," Billings growls, "the banks and the Money Mart pick the poor like we're ripe strawberries in a field." The fledgling Social Credit Party of Ontario is organizing a network of small businesses to agree to cash cheques on presentation of a special card. The Social Credit party offers to cover any fraudulent cheques. Money Mart's Caouette says he doesn't care. "They can do whatever they like. The only problem I see is if they get people to sign their petition." He is referring to the 10,000 signatures needed before a political association can become a recognized political party in Ontario. Hugh-Geoffrion likes the idea but doesn't like the way the Social Credit Party is going about it. "From what I've heard, the card people get is a Social Credit membership card and people have to buy things in the participating stores." (Both not true.)
851117Su Ottawa Herald , Mike Hayes, News editor The `One For The Road Award' -- To perennial fringe candidate John Turmel who took on the Ben Franklin for Mayor Forever Committee in Nepean. Turmel, part-time professional gambler, part-time engineer and full-time eccentric who is nothing else, is colorful, was buried by the Franklin machine. In losing his 20th attempt to gain a political position, Turmel is fast closing in on American comedian (and presidential hopeful) Pat Paulsen's all-time record for futility.
851119Tu Nepean Clarion Defeated candidates' comments TURMEL: I do not see my success as a protest vote -- votes cast for Turmel were cast in favour of two good ideas. The public meetings were terrible, often with too many candidates on the platform at one time. I hope those attending found my performance interesting. I wish to protest the Ottawa press coverage of my campaign. What right has the Press to tamper with democracy? DYNOWSKI: I was disappointed but not surprised at my standing in the poll. The low profile I unfortunately had to run during the election was like to blame to some extent. I intend to involve myself more in local politics and run again.
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860120Mo Ottawa Citizen Letter, John Turmel Tax discounts Some people need their tax refunds and so the tax discounters prepare the returns and take a percentage for cashing them immediately. Revenue Canada should make personnel available to prepare tax returns for the same fee as the tax discounters. Then the cheques can be issued and cashed on the spot for full value. Revenue Canada can hire those personnel who the pool who will be laid off by the discounters. Since the returns are supervised by Revenue Canada personnel, less auditing would be needed! If the tax discounters can provide the service, so can Revenue Canada at a far lesser cost to the needy.
860121Tu Ottawa Citizen, Pat Bell Service helps the poor avoid fee on cheques Picture of Linda, my secretary, captioned "Safer to have cheques than cash" Ottawa merchants who are willing to cash post-dated government cheques at face value are helping welfare recipients without bank accounts avoid the six-per-cent fee at Money Mart cheque-cashing outlets. Terry Kavanaugh's Sunoco station on Somerset St. is one business honoring individual photo-identification cards prepared by the Social Credit Party of Ontario, a small political group not accredited in this province. Kavanaugh prefers endorsed, post-dated cheques to a stack of cash in his till, he says. He will cash monthly social assistance cheques ranging from $200 to $600 as long as the people presenting them have the photo-identification card and endorse the cheque with signature and a thumb print. Since November, he's handled about 20 cheques, and Kavanaugh says he'll keep on cashing them without charge "until one comes back." The fact they may be dated a day or two ahead makes no difference to his banking practices, he says, as long as the cheques are cleared in time to meet expenses. The political group keeps a computerized record of each person receiving a card and guarantees to make good only any returned cheque. Linda Gordon, manager of the party office at 1,000 Somerset St. W. says more than 300 people who regularly faced obstacles in getting cheques cashed either because they don't have a bank account or because the cheque is post-dated have taken advantage of the free identification service. She said most people using the new program are single mothers on social assistance who can't afford to keep even a $5 balance in a monthly bank account. Nobody who has received one of the identification cards was willing to discuss the program with the Citizen. Government cheques often arrive two or three days before their cashing date and families need money immediately, Gordon said. When they take them to Money Mart, a cheque-cashing business with two outlets in Ottawa and 30 across the country, they must pay a 6% fee for the service. The Social Credit program to cut into Money Mart's profits was started in October by John Turmel, a perennial fringe candidate in provincial and civic elections, and an advocate of interest-free loans. For two months, he cashed cheques himself for people who came for the photo-identification cards. The idea of enlisting community merchants arose because staff realized it was unwise to have large amounts of cash at the office, Gordon said. They cash no cheques now. Instead, individuals receive their free computerized photo- identification card after Gordon takes a thumb print, voice print, videotaped record and signature. Some people are given the name and address of one of about 20 "foster merchants" willing to cash government cheques. Others are encouraged to ask a restaurant or other business they frequent to become their regular cheque casher, with the guarantee that the Social Credit party will assume responsibility for any bad cheque. Not every business finds convenient. Owners of Between Friends Gift shop in Place Bell Canada have stopped being foster merchants because checking identification and taking thumb prints of cheque cashers took time and was embarrassing in front of customers lined up for lottery tickets or other purchases. "Many businesses find it safer to have cheques around than a lot of cash. We're only asking them to cash government cheques, no personal cheques. The photo-identification program has drawn mixed reactions. On one hand, officials at regional social services and the social planning council applaud an arrangement that helps low-income families cash their cheques. At the same time, they agree with critics who say this is exactly what banks should be doing. Stephen Clark, Money Mart president, says his cheque cashing service fills a gap left by the banks for people on low or erratic incomes who either can't or don't want to maintain an account. In a telephone interview, he said Money Mart customers aren't complaining about the charges. Organizations are complaining on their behalf without hearing from individuals. "It's a business, just like any other. There's a lot of work and we generally lose money for the first 18 months. Poor people use the service, just like poor people take taxis when you might think they should take buses." He said the bulk of business comes from low-income earners who need to cash a cheque after banking hours or people who prefer to deal only in cash. People on welfare make up a small percentage of users. Most have already found other places to cash their cheques. Dick Stewart, director of program delivery for the region's social services department, said, "In an ideal world, people could cash social assistance cheques easily at a bank. But if local businesses are willing to to this and the identification card helps, how can I object?" (I wonder who was asking him if he objected?) Frank Martin, director of the Social Planning Council, says banks should make it easier for people to cash their cheques because "even a couple of days is a very long time to wait for many single parent families." A spokesman for the National Anti-Poverty Organization says the Social Credit Party's identification cards aren't the solution to banks' inflexible cheque-cashing services that exclude poor people. Fred Bever, a researcher with NAPO says "Whether or not they are well- meaning, they are exploiting people who need the service in order to publicize the political party." (Finally, they found someone to object to what I've done.) He said he believes there is subtle pressure on people to affiliate with the party. Similarly, he thinks people who have their cheques cashed by certain merchants will feel pressure to buy from them. "It is critical that people on social assistance have access to banks and that banks provide services" Bever said. (How dare we make people feel so good about us that they might feel like joining and how dare merchants be so nice as to cash their cheques that they might want to purchase something with the money they just saved. Talk about smearing a noble effort and by a group who are supposed to be helping the poor. Yet again, if poverty would be solved, he'd have no job so don't expect him to endorse anything that would ease poverty and threaten his job.) Jane Leslie, spokesman for the Royal Bank, said people who want to cash their regular monthly government cheque don't have to open an account or keep a minimum balance. "They are just asked to sign a signature card. We're trying to establish a relationship, a familiarity, so the person becomes known at that branch of the bank. Spokesmen at Ottawa branches said they will cash government cheques up to three days early but only for people who have made themselves known as regular account holders or Cheque cashers at that location.
860131Fr Ottawa Citizen, John Kessel Court forbids John Turmel to picket CJOH (C) Turmel forbidden to picket CJOH with "cheat" sign John Turmel, a fringe candidate in municipal, provincial and federal elections throughout Ontario, has been gagged by the court. In a ruling handed down Thursday by District Court judge David McWilliam, Turmel was ordered never again to picket outside CJOH-TV on Merivale Road with a sign saying: "Max Keeping is a cheat. Max Keeping owes me $3,525." The permanent injunction was granted to CJOH and Keeping, news director and anchorman, because the sign suggested Keeping had defrauded Turmel. It follows an interim injunction McWilliam granted in June 1984. Turmel contended Keeping and CJOH had "cheated" him during a Dec. 15, 1983 Stormont-Dundas-Glengarry provincial by- election by not permitting him to join the TV candidates' debate. Turmel said the equivalent air time would have cost him $3,525. However McWilliam told Turmel: "You took the English language and marshaled it for your own purposes." The sign conveyed the message that Keeping was "not to be trusted ... deceitful" and offered no explanation, McWilliam said. "You cannot go out into the public and charge someone with fraud," McWilliam said, although the judge conceded Turmel might be, "in a highly technical sense, remotely right." When Turmel asked McWilliam whether he could picket the station carrying different signs, the judge said the injunction is only for the words used in the June 1984 sign. Turmel began picketing the station then after the Ontario Supreme Court dismissed his claim for damages from CJOH for defamation. Running under the banner "The Engineer," Turmel has run for the mayoralty of both Ottawa and Nepean. He claims to the leader of the unaccredited Social Credit Party of Ontario. When not waging election campaigns, he can be found filing numerous motions in various courts challenging the right of money lenders to charge interest and the province's gambling laws. He argues these cases himself.
860201Sa Ottawa Citizen, Corrections A story and headline in Friday's paper were incorrect in saying fringe candidate John Turmel has been forbidden by a district court judge from ever again picketing CJOH-TV. In fact, the judge ordered Turmel not to picket with a particular sign calling news director Max Keeping a cheat. The Citizen apologizes for the error.
Ottawa Herald Best of Ottawa The best loser Ottawa's gambling economists, John Turmel, calls his line of Social Credit politics "friendly credit." Altogether, Turmel has run for political office 20 times, including for mayor of Ottawa of Ottawa, mayor of Nepean, Gloucester alderman as well as federally and provincially in the Ottawa area and has never won a seat. Of course, Turmel doesn't limit his political charades to Ottawa, he's running next month in a Toronto by-election. What a cheap shot about "political charades."
860416We Toronto Sun, Ciaran Ganley Gambler-politico plays hand of 21 Ottawa gambler and 21-time political candidate John Turmel has brought his economic cure-all message to Metro. Turmel, who wears a white hard-hat with "the engineer" stenciled on it, is one of the five fringe candidates in tomorrow's York East by-election. The engineering grad and political gadfly is well-known in Ottawa for his one-man campaign against interest rates. He can often be seen protesting alone against interest rates on Parliament Hill and makes a point of picketing the Bank of Canada on every Thursday. Three times he has had legal cases against Bank of Canada Governor Gerald Bouey thrown out by the Supreme Court of Canada after being ridiculed out of numerous lower courts. Turmel tried to get Bouey charged with genocide and keeping a common gaming house. He claims interest rates cause starvation and the Bank of Canada is gambling that customers will be able to repay principal and interest on their loans. He says he's running in East York because it is his duty to "take every opportunity I can to explain my solution to inflation and unemployment." Revamping the monetary system and outlawing interest rates would solve the country's economic ills, he says. The other fringe candidates are John McLellan of the Communist Party, Mark Adair of the Green Party, Libertarian Jim McIntosh, and independent Jack Arshawsky. Candidates for the major three parties are Liberal Christine Hart, Tory Gina Brannan, and NDPer Gord Crann.
860711Fr Ottawa Citizen, Jacquie Miller Fewer welfare recipients paying fee to cash cheques The number of welfare recipients who pay a fee to cash cheques has dropped by more than half since regional welfare officials changed the way they date the cheques. They started mailing cheques one day before the date on the cheque. Meanwhile, problems remain. Even if cheques aren't post-dated, welfare clients often have problems cashing them at banks. Often, welfare clients don't have adequate identification.
860806We Kapuskasing Northern Times, Mike Cloutier John Turmel enters his 22nd election For the 22nd time, John Turmel will try to get his message across to the voters, this time in the Aug. 14 provincial by-election. John Turmel, 35, of Ottawa has run in a host of municipal, provincial and federal elections under his Social Credit banner. He is the founder and president of the not yet registered Social Credit party of Ontario and offers a simple solution to all the problems of the world. If interest on money was abolished, and a system of barter introduced, energy, in the form of money that is now being paid to the banks, could be freed to solve every problem under the sun. He said it is no problem that can't be fixed with an investment of work, resources and available technology. He wants to print up "credit notes" and give them to people for whatever they produce. The notes would be exchanged by people for goods and services, but the notes can't be used to make more notes in thee form of interest. The notes are valueless, just paper, but it is what they represent that would give them value. They would be backed by the market value of the country's resources. He pointed to a situation where a man paid for goods with a bad cheque. That cheque was passed along from businessman to businessman, doing "an incredible amount of work." Finally when the last man went to the bank, the cheque bounced. He was stiffed, but goods and services were produced. If the last man didn't have to go to the bank, the cheque would still be working: it would still have value. Mr. Turmel, a systems engineer, who "scored genius in mathematics, is a professional gambler. He used his math abilities to win vast amounts of money in Las Vegas casinos and finally got barred from three hotels in Las Vegas, he said. He has been called a "guerrilla lawyer" when he used the courts to stop the foreclosure of mortgages for a number of people, he said. He brings with him a "stiff the bank kit" and promises anyone who is faced with foreclosure on his house to live rent-free for a year in the house. He will ask the voters in Cochrane North to vote for him because the other established parties have shown their incompetence, with the world getting worse. He wants to save the world. "What else does a genius in mathematics do in his spare time?" he asked.
Cochrane Northern Post, Don Earle Bank-basher runs in Cochrane Call an election and John C. Turmel will run in it. So it's no surprise that Turmel, the social credit engineer, is running in the Aug. 14 Cochrane by-election. This is the 23rd election Turmel has run in since 1979 which he insists is some kind of record. Mr. Turmel has received his fair share of notoriety down south as a bank basher who has gone to bat for the victims of high interest rates. The 35-year-old engineering graduate from Carleton University calls himself a professional gambler and politician. "I gamble with millionaires. That allows me to run in these elections and I can help poor people who are in court," Turmel said. Five years ago, Turmel launched legal proceedings in the Supreme Court of Ontario to force the Bank of Canada to stop charging interest rates. Turmel claimed that Gerald Bouey, the governor of the Bank of Canada, with keeping a common gaming house which is illegal under the criminal code of Canada. The case was ultimately dismissed by the Supreme Court. Turmel was also involved in Jean Metcalfe's battle three years ago, to keep her home in Smith's Falls, after the Bank of Montreal threatened to foreclose on the mortgage. Mrs. Metcalfe was the vi was the victim of a series of allergies that made it impossible for her to live in any home, but her own. Mr. Turmel said he was running in Cochrane North to fight the anti-social credit system of government. He planned to head the court house early this week, to get a list of homeowners threatened with foreclosure that he could possibly assist them to stay in their homes. Instead of money, Turmel thinks workers should earn tax credit notes that could be bartered. "If people had more currency in their wallets, doctors could afford to extra-bill," Turmel said. "I am pro-life as well. If there was more money in circulation people wouldn't have the excuse of poverty to justify abortions," he added. More money in circulation would also lick the problem if acid rain, since the major corporations would have the cash on hand to clean up the environment, he said. "If we don't start workbees to clean up the environment pretty soon, we are going to have to live underground," Turmel maintained. "Interest rates are unsafe, they are a threat to us all, that is why I am picketing the Bank of canada every Thursday," he added. He concludes by saying that poverty is nothing more than a man- made scarcity of money, that can be corrected with a complete overhaul of the banking system. "The present system of currency is nothing more than a software computer package. All we have to do is change the software package to a system of tax credit notes," Turmel claimed.
Cochrane Northern Post, Don Earle "Cracker-jack" candidates are lambasted by Cochrane North NDP Attacking Cochrane North by-election candidates as "cracker-jacks", the NDP riding association claims "most of the candidates are from southern Ontario and are using Cochrane North as a battlefield for their misguided propaganda." The group termed independents John Turmel and Graham McCready as "self-appointed, inoffensive ombudsmen from southern Ontario who are trying to represent the residents of Cochrane North without bothering to study important local issues. The association added that it perceives the by-election "as a cracker-jack box, unfortunately without a prize for the people of Cochrane North."
860813We Le Nord, Francis Bouchard Turmel is the founder of the Social Credit party of Ontario. He's an electrical engineer. He wants tax credits for workbees. It will reduce taxes. He's in his 22nd election. He'll help people fight their foreclosures. It explains what a mortgage is. Explains the Greenbacks with Abraham Lincoln. Explains the dividend and the robot revolution. If they want to have a chance to save the environment, they have to vote for John Turmel.
860903We Le Nouvelliste, Andre Dion Independent Creditiste candidate John Turmel John Turmel became yesterday the fifth candidate running for Jean Chretien's seat. He's presenting himself as an independent Socred and is well known on Parliament Hill. Every Thursday for 5.5 years, he demonstrates in front of the Bank of Canada to protest high interest rates. Founder and president of the Ontario Social Credit party, he's in his 23rd election. He's counting on coming to all the candidates' debates. He doesn't believe in knocking on doors. Besides, the majority of people don't know why they're voting, they just vote with their eyes, they vote for the color. An adversary of the banks and high finance, John Turmel is an electrical engineer, qualified himself as an expert in the mathematics of gambling and advocates a system which would put an end to economic poverty based on the theory of Major C.H. Douglas. He would like to see a tax credit system established which would work like the old corvees which permitted citizens to pay their taxes by participating on public works. Having recourse to tax credits, which would be distributed without interest to workers, a creditiste government wouldn't be obliged to collect taxes to pay interest and therefore taxes would be reduced. The corvee system would be a good way to put people to work.
Hebdo St. Maurice, Lucie Carrier John Turmel: Fifth candidate SHAWINIGAN -- A fifth candidate, John Turmel, is running as a Socred independent. He's an electrical engineer and the mathematics of gambling is his profession. This is his 23rd candidacy. "I'm here to teach about corvees and it doesn't matter if I win as long as people will have understood that social credits are preferable to tax promises." INTEREST IS DEATH AND USURY According to him, knowing St. Maurice problems is not important since all problems are the same across the country resulting from the financial system. And they all boil down to a lack of money which Mr. Turmel says can be fixed with a system of social credits. "Interest, it's usury, because someone must fail. A system of credit isn't social if there is any interest. If we exact interest, the credit becomes anti-social because it's physically impossible for all borrowers to pay both the principle and the interest when they only got the principle," explained Mr. Turmel. Therefore, to replace this system,he suggests "A system of social credits functioning like corvees which permitted citizens to pay their taxes by participating on public works. Having recourse to social credits, a government of creditiste philosophy would not be obliged to raise taxes to pay interest and therefore taxes would be reduced. The corvee system would be a good way to put people to work.
860904Th Le Droit, CP Turmel says he's a real Creditiste The independent who is in the St. Maurice election and who speaks in a quasi-impeccable French, has indicated it's his 23rd election since 1979. His campaigns aren't as much to win but to teach the population. He says he's a real Creditiste from the Real Caouette and Major Douglas schools of "corvees" and "social credits." The government, he says, should pay people with tax credit notes that would allow poor people to work and pay their taxes, without interest. These notes would serve as money they could exchange and would solve unemployment. The government talks of creating employment but never of creating the pay-cheques. I've found the way to create the pay-cheques, says Turmel, an electrical engineer. He promises he'll be in St. Maurice when there's a debate. He's convinced that his work will allow people to fight "acid rain, nuclear and chemical pollution." Hopefully, before it's too late.
860923Tu Ottawa Citizen, Mme. Pilon To keep his home, a citizen goes to the Supreme Court To keep his home, a McWatters resident is going to the Supreme Court to get respected his rights that says were violated. His case will be heard on Sept. 29. When he spoke to us, he said he was facing an eviction order in 3 days. The case goes back to 1985 when a judge of the Superior Court in Rouyn handed down an interlocutory judgment to have the house seized for the price of the materials plus 24% interest per year for the unpaid bill. "I don't want them to sell my house. I want to pay but I don't want to pay the enormous interest. There were delays in my financing and the interest climbed quickly. I could make arrangements with them but I can't get gouged with interest. According to the rules of procedure of the Quebec civil code, there has to be a 30 day period between the interlocutory judgment and the final judgment to have time for the defendant to lodge an appeal. This procedure was not respected because on Sept. 12, the final judgment was handed down while the interlocutory judgment had only come out on Aug. 20 and it's on this argument that is based his defence. Following this judgment, a series of procedures was put into action. Appeal #1. Reject of appeal. Appeal #2. Notice of seizure. Opposition to seizure. Closure of the appeal and non-closure of the appeal. How can an ordinary citizen get through all this. It's with the counsel of Mr. John C. Turmel, well known in the Ottawa region for his defence of small home-owners that the defendant decided to go to the Supreme Court because of delays and the closure of the appeal weren't respected. It's on these details of procedure that he will go to the Supreme Court. The base of the problem remains and is aggravated by the rising interest since the action began. "I want to pay for my house," he said, "but it doesn't make any sense to pay all the interest that has passed $3,000. If I had to do what they want, I couldn't keep my house."
860926Fr Journal de Montreal, Andre Dalcourt The only minor counterpoints Brian Mulroney ran into were from one fellow and when the independent candidate John Turmel heckled him, picket sign in hand, from far away. The Prime Minister ignored him: John Turmel is a Creditiste visionary who follows him at every election. As proof, he was also a candidate against him in Central Nova last August, 1983.
860927Sa Le Nouvelliste, Louise Plante Trois-Rivieres police arrest Turmel Picture of me coming out of police station The Three Rivers police had to intervene at the CHLN station after a brief altercation with independent creditiste candidate John Turmel and journalists at the radio station. Turmel, who didn't bother too much to make know his program during the campaign, insisted on the right to participate in the debate when the Omnibus program was aired just like the Liberal, Tory and NDP candidates. But the news director Jean Denoncourt, who decided his listeners couldn't handle more than three candidates at a time didn't agree and tried to stop Turmel from entering. Regardless, Turmel was more agile and managed to make his way into the recording studio. It took the help of the police to get him dislodge him. They brought him to the police station for disturbing the peace. In his cell, he didn't hear a word of the debate. Not once during his incarceration did he ask to see a lawyer. Turmel will soon receive a summons for municipal court. But Le Nouvelliste learned that he had lodged a complaint against the journalist who tried to stop him. Mr. Denoncourt says he never hit the candidate. But it took more that this to stop the incident. As soon as he was released, he went to Shawinigan to picket at City Hall for a civic reception in honor of Mr. and Mrs. Mulroney. The police didn't let him pass the security cordon and it was from a distance that he had to shout his thoughts when Mulroney was entering. Turmel also didn't manage to attract the attention of the national media... who have seen others.
861028Tu Ottawa Citizen, Don McGillivray Banking is mostly a confidence game. It started with simple safekeeping of money or other valuables. The bankers found they could earn interest by lending the money they were keeping. And then they learned they could lend more money than they had because when people write cheques, they often just shift the money from one account to another without having to see the cash. So banks started to create money. But the whole house of cards comes tumbling down if the depositors lose confidence in the bank because they all come at once me at once demanding not only to see their money but to take it away.
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