Ottawa Citizen, Bert Hill
Gauvin wins "loitering" appeal case
The Ontario Court of Appeal Friday overturned the conviction of former 
Ottawa mayoral candidate Marc Gauvin of a charge of loitering in 
connection with a confrontation during a televised debate. Mr. Justice 
Charles Dubin ruled Gauvin may have been trespassing but there was 
evidence to support the loitering charge. 
He had been convicted of loitering after he refused to leave the stage 
of a televised CBC debate. He and other fringe candidates were 
excluded from the debate. The original $500 fine was reduced to $200. 
Dubin said Gauvin was not loitering at the debate because as a 
candidate and member of the public, he had a purpose in being there. 
"When he refused to leave the platform when requested, he was a 
trespasser perhaps but not a loiterer." Dubin also said the CBC 
program which allowed fringe candidates only a small role was 
misconceived. CBC officials refused comment. Gauvin was delighted at 
the ruling and he plans similar protests in future if broadcast media 
do not treat all candidates the same. "I'm interest in the more 
profound question of how candidates are treated and that message got 
through to the judges." 
Ottawa Citizen Letter, John Turmel
In Eric Hamovitch's article titled `Nicaraguan election unlikely to be 
fair," he points out that the media give the party in control an 
overwhelming advantage over the other parties. I'd point out that in 
the United States, the media give an overwhelming control to only two 
parties and in Canada to only three parties. People who live in glass 
houses should not throw stones.
Ottawa Citizen, Greg Weston
Front-runners lucky in draw for positions for keynote speeches
Liberal front-runners John Turner and Jean Chretien have drawn time 
slots for Friday's keynote speeches. Chretien will speak last and 
Turner second last. By chance, the rest will be speaking in direct 
ascending order of their positions in the latest polls. 
Ottawa Citizen, Chris Hall
Gambler-politician ordered to cease slamming Keeping 
Gambler ordered to stop calling newsman a cheat
Pictures of Max and me.
Gambler and fringe politician John Turmel was ordered Thursday to stop 
exhibiting signs calling CJOH-TV news director Max Keeping a "cheat."
County Court judge McWilliam granted an injunction to Keeping and 
Bushnell Communications, owner of the Ottawa station, to prevent 
Turmel from displaying any libelous or defamatory statement against 
the popular anchorman. 
Station lawyer K.L. Boland told the court Turmel began picketing last 
week on the sidewalk in front of CJOH's Merivale Rd. studios carrying 
a sign that said, "Max Keeping is a cheat." He said the statement was 
defamatory because it was untrue and would lower Keeping's reputation 
in the minds of the public. He said Keeping's reputation was important 
to him as a journalist and Turmel shouldn't be allowed to tarnish it 
Keeping and Bushnell filed a damage suit Tuesday against Turmel in 
county court because of the statement on the sign. The injunction last 
until the damage suit is heard. Boland added the picketing began 
shortly after a June 1 Ontario Supreme Court ruling dismissing a claim 
by Turmel for damages from CJOH for defamation. 
Turmel said the station prevented him from participating in a Dec. 6, 
1983 televised debate among candidates in SDG and left "a lot of right 
thinking people with the impression that he just didn't bother to show 
up." Using a number of mathematical formulas to show he was denied 
equitable air time with the other candidates, Turmel said Keeping 
"cheated" him by barring him from the debate, which affected the odds 
and outcome of the election and prejudiced his candidacy. 
Boland replied Turmel's failure to have criminal charges laid against 
the station for denying him air time and the failure of other civil 
actions supported the application for an injunction. "When he failed 
in the courts, he went out in the street with a sigh meant to damage 
Mr. Keeping's reputation. That's his intention." McWilliam said 
Turmel's narrow mathematical definition of cheat would not be 
understood by passers-by, who might think it meant that Keeping had 
defrauded him. 
Ottawa Citizen, 
Convention Notebook
It's in the book: John Turner is the bookies' choice. They made him 
the 3-to-5 favorite to win the Liberal leadership race. Jean Chretien 
is a 7-to-2 underdog. The rest of the field would pay 150-to-1 odds. 
Letter to the Editor unpublished.
Dear Sir:
As an expert witness accepted by three provincial courts in matters 
related to gambling, I must point out that the betting line published 
in the June 15, 1984 'Convention Notebook' on the Liberal leadership 
race seriously over-rated John Turner or under-rated Jean Chretien. 
John Turner was stated as a 3:5 favorite, Jean Chretien was stated as 
a 7:2 underdog and any one of the rest of the field would have paid 
150:1. Therefore, a $10 bet on Turner would have paid $6, a $10 bet on 
Chretien would have paid $35, and a $10 bet on the field would have 
paid $1500.
For a betting line to be a good line, the money taken in from the 
losers must exceed the money paid out to the winners. A middle occurs 
when wise bettors can hedge their bets in such a way that they either 
win or break even so that the money the bookie takes in from the 
losers is less than the money he pays out to the winners. The 
published line was a bad line because it allowed a huge middle.
To explain how to have middled the bookie's line, imagine that you 
have $900 with which to make a combination of bets on Turner, 
Chretien, and the Field. The object is to find a combination of bets 
such that no matter what the outcome of the election, you will win or 
break even.
A Turner bettor would hedge his bets by betting:
1) $6 hedge-bet on the Field to win $900;
2) $200 hedge-bet on Chretien to win $700;
3) the remaining $694 on Turner to win $416.40.
1) When the Field wins, the Turner bettor ends up with a $900 win and 
the original $6 hedge-bet for a total of $906, a small increase over 
the original $900 started with;
2) When Chretien wins, the Turner bettor ends up with $700 and the 
original $200 hedge-bet for a total of $900, no increase over the 
original $900 started with;
3) But when Turner wins, the Turner bettor ends up with $416 and the 
original $694 bet for a total of $1110, a large $210 increase over the 
original $900 started with.
A Chretien bettor would hedge his bets by betting:
1) $6 hedge-bet on the Field to win $900;
2) $564 hedge-bet on Turner to win $338;
3) the remaining $330 on Chretien to win $1155.
1) When the Field wins, the Chretien bettor ends up with a $900 win 
and the original $6 hedge-bet for a total of $906, a small increase 
over the original $900 started with;
2) When Turner wins, the Chretien bettor ends up with a $338 win and 
the original $564 hedge-bet for a total of $902, a small increase over 
the original $900 started with;
3) But when Chretien wins, the Chretien bettor ends up with a $1155 
win and the original $330 bet for a total of $1485, a large $585 
increase over the original $900 started with.
A Field bettor would hedge his bets by betting:
1) $200 hedge-bet on Chretien to win $700;
2) $564 hedge-bet on Turner to win $338;
3) the remaining $136 on the Field to win $20,400.
1) When Chretien wins, the Field bettor ends up with a $700 win and 
the original $200 hedge-bet for a total of $900, no increase over the 
original $900 started with;
2) When Turner wins, the Field bettor ends up with a $338 win and the 
original $564 hedge-bet for a total of $902, a small increase over the 
original $900 started with;
3) But when the Field wins, the Field bettor ends up with a $20,400 
win and the original $136 bet for a total of $20,536, a whopping 
$19,636 increase over the original $900 started with.
The reason I have gone into such depth on how anyone could have 
middled the published line is because such a great middle indicates 
that Mr. Turner was given a greatly exaggerated advantage over Mr. 
Chretien which could have had an unfair influence on those people who 
like to join the bigger bandwagon and bet on the favorite.
I feel that given the serious nature of the political events that can 
be unfairly influenced, the political organization in charge of 
running the contest or the publisher should in future check any 
betting lines that are to be published for middles that would indicate 
that the odds quoted are not accurate. With the availability in Ottawa 
of many statisticians and of Dr. Walter Schneider, the professor of 
Canada's only Mathematics of Gambling course who teaches at Carleton 
University, there is no reason that betting lines on future events, 
especially important ones, should not be mathematically checked out.
One consolation is that the bookie who missed such a large middle 
probably won't be in the bookmaking business long enough to make such 
an influential error again.
CC: Jean Chretien, John Turner, W.S. Schneider, Iona Campagnolo.
Ottawa Citizen, Dan Karon
Price of by-election victory? $7 a vote
CORNWALL -- Noble Villeneuve spent $86,692 for his 12,097 votes, about 
$7 per vote. Liberal Johnny Whitekker spend $36,231 for his 8,122 
votes, about $4.46 per vote. NDP Rudi Derstroff spent $19,277 for his 
627 votes, about $30.66 per vote. John Turmel spent $115 for 97 votes, 
about $1.19 per vote. 
[jct: Listed under 
"Nature of expense: "Fees for motions requesting participation in 
electoral debate .... $85. Supplier: Federal Court of Canada." 
Ottawa Citizen, Phil Makin
Self defenders tread in unfriendly world
More taking own cases to court
`Quote of the day' 
"I call this guerrilla lawfare. Who says some peon can't pick up a 
rifle? You can't call him a soldier but he can still shoot." Political 
aspirant John Turmel believes anyone can be his own lawyer. p9
Tucker represents one extreme of that hardy, independent and sometimes 
eccentric breed who have the brash self-confidence to walk into the 
closed, alien atmosphere of the law court and take on the natives. 
John Turmel, an Ottawa political fixture who has run in 16 elections, 
has also found time to appear in court about 100 times. "I'm sure I 
hold all records" he said. "I've also had seven motions in the Supreme 
Court of Canada. I call this guerrilla lawfare. Who says some peon 
can't pick up a rifle? You can't call him a soldier but he can still 
Mr. Turmel is helping a friend, Marc Gauvin, prepare his Supreme Court 
of Canada appeal of his own acquittal. The acquittal was based on the 
wrong grounds, Mr. Gauvin claims. "That may never have been done 
before either -- appealing your own acquittal," Mr. Turmel says. 
"This is a serious effort," Mr. Gauvin says. "Some of us who go to 
court are not flakes." 
Mr. Turmel says judges, by and large, have been quite receptive to his 
courtroom presentations because they are serious efforts backed by 
research. "I've put in four years of study. I see young lawyers making 
the same mistakes I made." Mr. Turmel agrees that few can overcome the 
complexities of a legal case. "They achieve the purpose of making it 
so complicated not even lawyers know where to go. It is built and 
designed to be needlessly complicated. There are no checks on 
quality." But even the citizen who dauntlessly pushes ahead and 
acquires some expertise may run into one insurmountable roadblock, Mr. 
Turmel says. In the final analysis, all can go for naught because 
judges can close their eyes to anything. 
Ottawa Citizen, Jane Coutts
Ottawa gambler asks court to have TV debates a "fair game" with all 
the players
It's a long shot but professional gambler John Turmel wants the court 
to open next week's leadership debates to more than the big three 
parties. Turmel as asked the FCC for a motion that would force the 
CRTC to adhere to the letter of its regulations and ensure that next 
week's leadership debates are open to leaders of all parties. Turmel 
says the TV debates are not being run in accordance with CRTC 
regulations which say free-time political broadcasts must be made 
available "on an equitable basis to all parties and rival candidates." 
But Global, CBC and CTV have only invited leaders of the three major 
parties to speak. "I'm an expert on gambling and anytime you have 
three or four candidates left out, you don't have a fair game." He 
said he wants the court to force the CRTC to supervise the debate, 
rather than rule on complaints after the fact. 
A similar motion will be made Tuesday to the Ontario Supreme Court by 
Turmel's friend Marc Gauvin who will also ask for an injunction to 
stop the debates. Turmel says he's bringing the motion on behalf of 
Canadian voters because, as a voter, to hear the views of every party. 
Turmel has been named in a lawsuit by CJOH anchorman Max Keeping for a 
protest he mounted after being excluded from an all-candidates debate 
in the SDG by-election. He picketed CJOH with signs Keeping's lawyer 
called defamatory after the Supreme Court of Ontario dismissed his 
charges against Keeping.
Toronto Sun, UPC
Court bid to stop leaders' debate
OTTAWA -- An Ottawa man wants a federal court to block the televised 
debates among leaders of the three main parties because he says other 
registered federal parties have been left out. 
John Turmel, a 33-year-old engineer, self-described "gambler" and 
perennial fringe candidate in election campaigns, said he filed an 
application with the FCC to have the CRTC force the producers of the 
debates to make time available to all parties. If this is not done, 
the programs should be prevented from going on the air, Turmel said. A 
spokesman for the CRTC said its lawyers had received a package of 
legal documents related to the application and would be in court 
tomorrow. His application quotes a section which says free time 
political broadcasts must be available "on an equitable basis to all 
Regina Leader Post
Bid made to halt televised debate
OTTAWA -- Political gadfly John Turmel goes too the Federal Court 
today in a last-minute bid to block this week's televised debates 
between the leaders of the country's three major parties. The Ottawa 
gambling engineer and fringe candidate, engineer, and fringe candidate 
in several elections is taking on the networks and the CRTC because 
the leaders of other parties weren't invited to participate. Turmel 
has filed an application in the Federal Court in Ottawa asking to have 
the debates cancelled unless all registered political parties can 
participate. He wants the CRTC to supervise the debate with all the 
party leaders. Another application has been filed in the SCO asking 
for an injunction against televising the debates. 
At last count, Canada had 19 political parties. Some, like Social 
Credit, are well known to the voters. Others are little known outside 
their own circles. The list of fringe parties includes: Revolutionary 
Labor Alliance, National Canadian Party, Commonwealth Party, 
Confederation of Regions, Unity party and a party for businessmen 
based in Montreal.
The thought of packing 19 leaders into a television studio for a 
debate is enough to give most TV producers nightmares. "We couldn't 
put it on television," CTV vice-president Don Cameron said Monday. "It 
would be physically impossible." CTV, CBC and Global plan to carry the 
English debate. Cameron said it's planned not as a partisan political 
broadcast but as a "journalistic exercise" with a panel of reporters 
posing questions to the three leaders. "The format was chosen because 
only they elected MPs in the last election. (and they're going to help 
keep it that way.) Plans for the debate are going ahead despite 
Turmel's suits. 
Turmel said it's unfair to give only the three major parties air time 
and maintained that Canadian broadcasting regulations require coverage 
during a campaign to be "equitable." But a lawyer for the CRTC said 
the commission judges the question of fairness over the length of the 
campaign, not just for one event like a debate. (ignores that the 
round robin cannot be fulfilled) And the CRTC does not equate fairness 
with equal time, he added.
Turmel is best known in Ottawa as the guy in the white hard hat who 
parades every Thursday with a small band of followers in front of the 
Bank of Canada building or the Parliament Buildings to protest the way 
the bank rate is set. He often carries a sign calling Gerald Bouey, 
governor of the bank, a "crook."
Toronto Star, CP
Two men ask courts to block TV debates
Two men are scheduled to go to court today in a bid to block this 
week's television debate among the 3 national political party leaders. 
Green party member Marc Gauvin 26, said television networks are 
violating CRTC rules by excluding other party leaders in the debate. 
He's asking the SCO for an injunction to stop the debate until after 
the Aug. 7 deadline for nominations of candidates. 
John Turmel, a perennial fringe candidate who describes himself as a 
professional gambler, filed a motion late last week asking the FCC to 
forbid airing of the TV debates unless the leaders of all registered 
parties can participate. 
Gauvin said that he'll likely be running as a Green party candidate in 
an Ottawa riding, and that the party backing him will be fielding more 
than 50 candidates in the election. On that basis, the Green party has 
status as a federal political party and one of its founders, Trevor 
Hancock of Toronto, should automatically be included in any television 
debate among national party leaders, Gauvin said.
As a mayoralty candidate in Ottawa in 1982, Gauvin was arrested and 
held in custody three hours and held in custody 3 hours when he walked 
into a television station and tried to take part in a TV debate among 
the leading candidates. He was charged with loitering but was 
acquitted, he said.
Turmel, who regularly pickets the Bank of Canada Governor Gerald Bouey 
on Parliament Hill has contested municipal, provincial and federal 
elections and always lost. 
Vancouver Sun
Campaign Digest
The Green party and the Rhinoceros party are miffed at being left out 
of the two televised debates. Paul Watson, Green candidate for 
Vancouver Centre, said Monday the parties are sending official 
complaints to the CRTC and to the three television stations carrying 
the debates. "It is a leadership and we feel we should be represented" 
he said.
London Free Press, Warren Caragata C P
Turmel loses case against two debates
OTTAWA -- The Federal Court of Canada dismissed an application Tuesday 
from political gadfly John Turmel that would have forced cancellation 
of the televised leaders' debates, the first of which began only hours 
after the ruling was handed down. Turmel, a perennial fringe 
candidate, had gone to the court asking it to force the networks to 
include the leaders of the other 16 registered political parties or 
cancel the debates as unfair. A similar move by Marc Gauvin, an 
associate of Turmel's who asked the Ontario Supreme court in Toronto 
for an injunction against the debates, was rejected by Justice Joseph 
Potts. Federal Court Justice Francis Muldoon had reserved judgment 
after a two-hour hearing Tuesday morning, saying he needed some time 
to figure out Turmel's argument. In his five-page decision issued 
later, Muldoon said giving equal time to all candidates could be as 
inequitable as not giving the time "because such an arrangement could 
be most unfair to those whom the vast majority of voters have favored 
at the polls. Pretending that a "plethora of parties expressing a 
cacophony of contending policies are all of equal weight is more than 
a parliamentary democracy can, with reasonable stability, withstand, 
he said. Muldoon, however, gently slapped the wrists of federal 
regulators for not giving broadcasters clear enough directions on how 
they should provide equitable coverage. 
Turmel, who calls himself a member of the Green party although he has 
previously run federally and provincially as an independent and under 
the banner of what he calls the Christian Credit party, argued his own 
case in court. The Ottawa engineer and self-proclaimed professional 
gambler, his white hard hat sitting on the polished wooden desk beside 
his lectern, told the court that by the principles of Boolean algebra, 
Venn diagrams and other such mathematical esoterica, the debates 
involving Turner, Broadbent and Mulroney were unfair and undemocratic. 
During his dissertation, Turmel also brought in the political 
situation in Nicaragua, his university marks, and electrical circuits 
into play. At one point, a genial Muldoon interrupted to say: "You're 
getting rather far afield." 
Turmel said the networks were doing a disservice to Canadian voters by 
allowing Broadbent, Turner and Mulroney to present their solutions 
which would not work while he had solutions that would work but had no 
opportunity to set them forth. "I'm not so sure you know what to do 
either" Muldoon said. Turmel said the CRTC was not doing its job of 
making sure the debates were fair to all Canadian political parties. 
His actual request to the court was for an order requiring the CRTC to 
supervise the debate so it would be equitable to all parties or order 
the networks to take it off the air. 
CRTC lawyer Bill Howard told the court the broadcast regulatory 
commission does not have the power to tell the networks how they 
should run their programs. While the CRTC has issued guidelines to 
make sure broadcasters are fair to all parties during an election 
campaign, Howard said "equitable" coverage does not necessarily mean 
equal time. The networks provide time for all political parties during 
a campaign. The debates, however, are not considered free time 
advertising because they are run by the networks, which consider them 
part of their news coverage. In Toronto, Potts commended Gauvin for 
standing up for what he thought was right but said he must realize the 
concept of democracy is never a perfect concept. "We must take a 
realistic view of it," Potts said. "This is not a mathematical 
Toronto Star
Court rejects bid to halt debate or have 16 other leaders join
The Federal Court of Canada has dismissed a perennial fringe 
candidate's bid to have the televised leaders' debates expanded or 
cancelled. John Turmel asked the court to force the television 
networks to include the leaders of the nation's 16 other registered 
political parties or cancel the debates as unfair.
(Where they got the notion that there were 19 parties amazes me but it 
is a convenient mistruth that makes it look impossible for it to be 
done and makes me look stupid for asking. When in a corner, lie.)
The ruling was handed down yesterday only hours before the French 
language debate started in Montreal. They will debate in English 
In Toronto, Ontario Supreme Court Justice Joseph Potts rejected a 
similar move by Marc Gauvin -- an associate of turmel -- who asked for 
an injunction against the debates. In a 5 page decision delivered in 
Ottawa, FCC Justice Francis Muldoon said giving equal time to all 
candidates could be less fair than giving the air time. "Such an 
arrangement could be most unfair to those whom the vast majority of 
voters have favored at the pools," the judge wrote. Pretending "that a 
plethora of parties expressing a cacophony of contending policies is 
all of equal weight is more than a parliamentary democracy can, with 
reasonable stability, withstand, Muldoon wrote.
Muldoon criticized federal regulators, however, for not giving 
broadcasters clear directions on how they should provide equitable 
election coverage. Turmel said he is a member of the Green party, 
although he has previously run federally and provincial as an 
independent and under the banner of the Christian Credit party.
Neither Turmel nor Gauvin are spokesmen for the Green party, said 
Trevor Hancock, a founder of the environmentalist party in Canada. 
"They're not financed by the Green Party of Canada, nor will we 
endorse their candidacies" if they run in the Sept. 4 election, 
Hancock said. (So Hancock, the supposedly figurehead leader has 
decided to use the full power of the leader to disallow our 
memberships in the federal contest. I'm sure he did it on his own with 
no input from other Greens in Canada.)
An engineer and self-described professional gambler, Turmel argued his 
own case in court. During his dissertation, Turmel referred to 
Nicaraguan politics, his university marks and electrical circuits. 
"You're getting rather far afield," Muldoon remarked.
Citizen didn't print the story.
London Free Press
CRTC finds no imbalance in political TV debates
The election campaign television debates are not unfair to non-
participating political parties, the CRTC has ruled. The CRTC answered 
a letter to the commission from the Rhinoceros party, which questioned 
section 3 of the Broadcasting Act requiring broadcasters to allot fair 
and equitable time to each registered party when offering free time 
telecasts. Only the Liberal, PC and NDP are participating in the 
nationally televised debates. The Rhinos say there are 18 parties in 
Canada and it appeared to be unbalanced with only 3 in the format. The 
CRTC said the rules of balance do not have to be applied to a 
particular program or debate as long as the balance is provided over 
the course of the election campaign. The commission also said that in 
its view, there is no legal obligation on the part of broadcasters to 
include the other parties in the current debate format. At the same 
time, the CRTC announced that a formula for paid political 
announcements in the evening prime time has been worked out among the 
federal parties. The Liberals get to buy 173 minutes, the PCs get 129, 
the NDP get 69, the Rhinoceros get 8 minutes, the Libertarian get 5.5, 
the Communist Party 5.5. The Canada Elections Act requires that 
broadcasters make a total of 6.5 hours commercial prime time available 
to all political parties in aggregate during the campaign. The parties 
then sit down with the CRTC and work out the amount of commercial time 
they wish to purchase within the guidelines.
Ottawa Revue
Greens running in Ottawa Centre
John Dodson has announced he'll be running for the Green Party of 
Canada in Ottawa Centre. The 34-year-old food store employee has 
worked for the Greens since the party organized in Ottawa last year. 
At press time, Dodson had not added his own ideas to the basic Green 
party platform. 
Ottawa Citizen, Abby Deveney
Turmel faction disputes Green party nomination
The Ottawa chapter of Canada's Green party entered federal politics 
Tuesday, mired in controversy. While some Green party members have 
announced that John Dodson would represent Ottawa Centre, others, 
dissatisfied with the way Dodson was chosen, elected Gordon McLeod to 
represent a break-away chapter of the party. 
McLeod defeated perennial bank-basher John Turmel at a nomination 
meeting attended by about 40 Green members who are unhappy with the 
earlier nomination of Dodson. Turmel, a local gambler, placed his 
first bet on the political table in May, 1979. Since then, he's run -- 
and lost by huge margins -- in all municipal, federal and provincial 
"The decision to select Dodson was made arbitrarily," says party 
member Marc Gauvin who ran unsuccessfully in the 1982 mayoral race. 
"We just heard about them choosing him. They never held or called a 
meeting." National leader Trevor Hancock acknowledges a nomination 
meeting wasn't called and Dodson was chosen by party faithful. (Core) 
But he says the splinter group attempted to take over the chapter with 
a last minute membership drive forced the party to pick a candidate 
this way. "There was clearly an attempt by an individual to take over 
our chapter with his own supporters," Hancock says. "There is no 
evidence that this person has a `Green' set of values and 
philosophies." (No evidence is the cop-out line of someone with his 
eyes closed who doesn't want to see any evidence. Did he know of my 
demonstrations so I can call him or Trotter a liar?) About 15 members 
who helped found the Ottawa chapter chose Dodson. 
Ottawa Citizen
Troubled Greens to conduct new nomination
The Green party had two candidates nominated for the Ottawa Centre 
riding before a general meeting of its Ottawa Chapter Thursday. Now it 
has none. 
The Greens invalidated the nominations of both John Dodson and Gordon 
McLeod and called a new nomination meeting for Sunday night too sort 
out the chaos that has plagued the party's entry into federal 
politics. (I can understand invalidating Dodson's unelected nomination 
but I don't understand invalidating McLeod's) Dodson was named last 
week by a small group of founding members to stand in Ottawa Centre. 
Other members protested a candidate being chosen without consulting 
the rest of the Ottawa chapter, so they held a nomination meeting 
Tuesday and elected McLeod (to which Dodson and Vezina had been 
invited). Dodson says he won't run again. John Turmel, who lost to 
McLeod, could not be reached to see if he will again seed the 
nomination. McLeod said he will be a candidate.
Ottawa Citizen, Christina Spencer
Police called as Greens nominate 4 candidates
Ottawa fledgling Green party built on a platform of peace had a mini-
war on its hands Sunday. The party nominated 4 candidates for area 
ridings at a raucous meeting marred by shouts from a small band of 
supporters of professional gambler John Turmel. (She distorted it by 
failing to mention that I had only 1 supporter less then the others 
and made it look like we were a small group of trouble-makers.)
Police were called twice to evict Turmel and supporter Marc Gauvin as 
the two hurled insults at other members. (Another lie. All I ever said 
was that the proceedings were undemocratic.) Candidates were 
eventually nominated over the shouts of Turmel's brother Ray, who 
remained at the meeting after Turmel and Gauvin had been expelled. 
Turmel has been charged with trespassing. About 50 people attended the 
meeting which was called last week after opposing factions of the 
party selected their own candidates to represent some ridings. But 
chaos erupted almost immediately with the pro-Turmel faction claiming 
the meeting was not valid. "It's unfortunate this has to happen, 
particularly to such a young party," said Green spokesman Greg Vezina, 
nominated to represent the Greens in Nepean Carleton. The party 
executive had earlier named John Dodson as its candidate without 
holding an election. Turmel, saying the nomination had not been 
democratic, called a meeting of the membership last week and elected a 
series of candidates for Ottawa area ridings. 
The executive refused to endorse those nominations and Sunday night's 
meeting was called to resolve the issue. Vezina said the executive was 
opposed to what it saw as Turmel's attempt to take over the party and 
use it to promote his economic theories. "If someone tried to take 
over any party, it would try to expel him. I think people are 
intelligent enough to realize that. We named a candidate in the first 
place to try to avoid this."
(she doesn't mention that those she calls the executive are simply a 
bunch of people with no real elected power) 
(He isn't intelligent enough to realize that he's saying that he's 
against the democratic principle of trying to get out the vote.)
Turmel, who has been a member since February, denied he was trying to 
take over. "I'm fighting for what I think is right for this party. If 
signing up members and getting support means taking over the party, 
then you could say any candidate for any party is trying to take it 
over." He said as a result of the Sunday meeting, he plans to run as 
an independent candidate against the party's leader Trevor Hancock of 
Toronto. The Green slate chosen Sunday is made up of John Dodson in 
Ottawa-Carleton, Greg Vezina in Nepean-Carleton, Gord McLeod in Ottawa 
Centre, and Kevin Benson in Ottawa West. Turmel said at least one of 
his supporters will run as an independent candidate in each of those 
ridings to oppose the Greens. This slate will include his mother 
Therese, a former school teacher and translator, he said.
Le Droit, Carole Landry
Official Greens against independent Greens
To end a recent controversy, the official candidates are ... But the 
end to the controversy has not satisfied all the members. Some are 
going to run as independents to stress their dissatisfaction with the 
procedures followed. John Turmel will run against Green Party leader 
Hancock in Toronto, Marc Gauvin in Ottawa Centre, Serge Girard in 
Ottawa Vanier, Ray Turmel in Nepean Carleton and Mrs. Therese Turmel 
in Ottawa West. 
It all started when Trevor Hancock named John Dodson in Ottawa Centre 
after a meeting of the original members. A fraction of the members 
objected and decided to hold a "more democratic" meeting. At this one, 
Gordon McLeod was selected even though John Dodson had the approval of 
the national leader. 
On Wednesday, a third meeting took place where the members in 
attendance decided to invalidate all nominations and start anew. The 
next meeting did not take place without animosity and John Turmel and 
Marc Gauvin were expelled. Mr. Turmel explained that the decisions 
taken were not supported by the constitution. 
Greg Vezina added that the party had suffered because of the 
controversy "We are a party who tend towards consensus and we didn't 
think that some Greens would have had the intention of controlling the 
Ottawa Revue
A few hitches, just one arrest
The Green Party now has four candidates running in the Ottawa area. 
But the nomination meeting Sunday night went off with hitches and one 
arrest. John Turmel, a professional gambler and bank-basher who has 
run for office at all levels, was thrown out of the meeting and 
charged with trespassing . He will appear in court Wednesday. Turmel's 
brother Ray and supporter Marc Gauvin "attempted to disrupt the 
meeting" by bringing in a video camera, which party officials ordered 
them to remove, and by yelling "point of order" (QoP) repeatedly while 
party officials were trying to proceed with the nominations, according 
to one candidate. (who are these party officials?) Turmel called the 
meeting "stacked" but was not available for comment.
Greg Vezina will run for the Greens in Nepean-Carleton. John Dodson 
has been moved over to run in Ottawa-Carleton. Last week, he was 
declared the candidate in Ottawa Centre but party officials conceded 
to charges Dodson was nominated unfairly. Gordon McLeod will take his 
place in Ottawa Centre and Kevin Benson will run for the Greens in 
Ottawa West. 
Ottawa Citizen Editorial, Russell Mills
Nightmares in technicolor
The Green Party, entering its first federal campaign in Canada, has 
had enough trouble establishing its credibility without being linked 
to John Turmel, who believes interest rates are the root of all evil. 
Turmel, whose devotion to Green party issues such as the environment 
and world peace has never figured prominently in his many dismally 
unsuccessful political campaigns, has been causing much mischief for 
the Greens of late. 
After the party executive appointed a candidate in Ottawa Centre 
without the formality of a nominating meeting, Turmel took it upon 
himself to call a meeting last week which chose Green party candidates 
in local ridings. Not surprising, the party executive was less than 
enchanted by this turn of events. It invalidated the Turmel selections 
and called a new meeting last week to pick the party's official 
candidates for area ridings. Turmel and a small band of followers 
managed to disrupt that meeting so badly that police were eventually 
called and trespass charges laid against him. 
This is not the sort of publicity that a fledgling party dreams of 
receiving during an election campaign. It's enough to give the Greens 
the blues -- or make them see red.
Globe & Mail, CP
Court asked for injunction to stop leaders' TV debate
OTTAWA -- Once bitten but never shy, political gadfly John Turmel is 
again asking the courts to rule that tomorrow's nationally televised 
election debate among the leaders of the three major parties is 
unfair. Mr. Turmel asked the Federal Court yesterday to hold a special 
hearing on his application for an injunction against the broadcast or 
an order opening it up to everybody else. A similar application was 
turned down last month when Mr. Turmel challenged the first leaders' 
debate. Associate Chief Justice James Jerome is expected to decide 
today whether the court will hear the case. Mr. Turmel who is running 
in Beaches tried unsuccessfully to take over the environmentalist 
Green party in Ottawa where he lives. He espouses economic notions 
similar to those by Social Credit in the thirties. Tomorrow's debate 
is held under the auspices of the National Action Committee on the 
Status of Women and will deal with women's issues. 
Kingston Whig Standard, CP
Judge denies fringe candidate spot at women's issues debate
The Federal Court has turned thumbs down yesterday on an attempt by 
perennial fringe candidate John Turmel to open up tonight's televised 
debate on women's issues to all political parties. John Turmel, a 
perennial fringe candidate in various elections, wanted his case heard 
today, but Associate Chief Justice James Jerome denied Turmel's 
request to have his case heard today noting that Federal Court Justice 
Francis Muldoon had turned down a similar attempt by attempt just 
before the previous debate in July. 
Turmel's brother Ray and a friend Marc Gauvin, are pursuing similar 
actions today in both the Ontario Supreme Court in Toronto and Quebec 
Superior Court in Hull. 
Ottawa Citizen
Therese Turmel, the 55 year-old mother of perpetual fringe candidates 
John and Ray Turmel, said she is running in the election because she 
and her sons have the solution to the country's troubles. A national 
barter system would solve the funding problems which are at the root 
of all the country's economic and social problems. 
Ottawa Citizen, Charles Gordon
All candidates meetings display uniqueness of individual ridings
Despite television, advertising agencies, backroom computers, we have 
not all become homogeneous mush. Every riding is different. Drop in at 
an all-candidates meeting some time.
In Ottawa West, independent candidate Therese Turmel, of the amazing 
Turmel family, flashed a picture of her grandchild. She also had, on a 
computer diskette, "an equation done by an engineer" -- presumably her 
son John, seated in the front row along with his brother Ray, a 
candidate in Nepean Carleton. The diskette contained a solution to the 
funding problems to which every political issue could be reduced. She 
waved the diskette, which had something to do with Abraham Lincoln 
issuing scrip, at the audience each time it was her turn to answer. 
"See? Funding," she said. She even managed as the hush fell over the 
crowd to apply the diskette to a question on abortion: "I believe that 
whoever wants to get an abortion, her main reason is poverty ..." She 
waved the diskette. There was a question on whether the opera could be 
brought back to the NAC. Lloyd Francis said he was in favor of opera 
and Therese Turmel said she did not hear the question but had heard 
enough of the other answers to know that it was a question of funding. 
Ottawa Citizen, Beth Burgess
Three excluded, police called to rowdy election debate
Police were called during a rowdy all-candidates' meeting in Ottawa 
Centre Tuesday night. A debate between the candidates for the Liberal, 
PC, NDP, Communist and Green party deteriorated into an angry quarrel 
when 3 independent candidates demanded to be allowed to participate. 
The scheduled issues of unemployment and poverty were all but lost as 
organizers struggled to gain control of the meeting and the crowd 
traded insults with the 3 candidates. 
Independent Marc Gauvin started the controversy when he refused to 
leave the stage reserved for the 5 invited candidates. Fellow 
independent candidates Roger James and Ray Joseph Cormier jumped into 
the fray yelling from the floor for equal treatment. The meeting was 
delayed, the police were called and many of those in attendance left 
while other heckled the 3 candidates. Several police officers arrived 
in the hall to check what was going on but the dispute was resolved 
without police action. Gauvin was ejected by police from another 
candidates' meeting two weeks ago. In 1982, as mayoral candidate, he 
was arrested when he refused to leave the stage of a CBC debate 
between the two leading candidates in Ottawa. (She doesn't mention he 
was acquitted.) 
Members of the unemployment committee of the Ottawa District Labor 
Council who organized the meeting at St. Luke's Church on Somerset St. 
decided to solve Tuesday's dispute by asking the crowd to vote on 
whether the 3 candidates should speak. The crowd narrowly supported 
the 3 candidates' right to participate. (Marc says it was a distortion 
since it was obvious enough they didn't even have to count the votes. 
Standard distortion though. She says it was a narrow victory but it 
wasn't.) But the meeting didn't get much better. People talked and 
fidgeted, the crowd of 150 quickly dropped to a handful.
One candidate, James, screamed at the crowd to shut up while he was 
talking. Organizers admitted the evening was a flop. "The reason we 
didn't want all the candidates here was because we wanted the major 
candidates to deal fully with the issues of poverty and unemployment, 
said organizer Peter Cavers. "But with this kind of situation all we 
could get was superficial answers." (As if they ever had in-depth 
answers or solutions) Some members blamed the meeting's failure on the 
disruption made by the independent candidates. (They love to use the 
word disruption when little guys insist on their time. I wish they'd 
add disruption of the undemocratic format.) "The independent 
candidates tried to make a big issue out of a non-issue," said Carol 
Lane. "If they were concerned about the people in the area, especially 
those that are poor and unemployed, they would have talked about 
poverty and unemployment instead of about themselves." 
Ottawa Revue , Darlene MacDonald 
Turmel running again, without the Greens
John Turmel has one aim: to get justice from all those who act 
dictatorially. With that brush, the 33-year-old systems engineers 
leaves few institutions untouched. From the Bank of Canada to the 
Green Party, with which he has tried to associate himself, Turmel 
pulls out all the stops to achieve his goals. Unconcerned with his 
public notoriety, the man the call the gambler has an almost obsessive 
dedication to the oath he took as a graduate electrical engineer at 
Carleton university. "As an engineer, we take an oath of integrity. 
Being scientifically trained, we don't have any excuse if our system 
breaks down for a scientific reason," says Turmel. 
As the only self-proclaimed systems engineer in the country to have 
specialized in banking systems, which he later applied to the 
operation of his own casino, Turmel detected a flaw in the banking 
system -- that of the interest rate. For 5 years, Turmel has set out 
to single-handedly lobby for a reprogramming of the entire system. 
"All I need is to be prime minister for a day, even just chief 
engineer, then I could get into the Bank of Canada's central computer, 
re-program the system to operate on a pure service charge. That has 
been the thrust of Turmel's strategy throughout his nearly 100 motions 
before the courts, seven of which have reached the SCC, his 
affiliations with the Social Credit party and the fledgling Christian 
Credit party and his tireless campaign for the preservation of 
democracy. Turmel has run in 16 elections on all levels in the past 5 
Denying criticism he is a publicity seeker, Turmel spouts Biblical 
passages and feels strong identification with past religious leaders 
who have advocated a free market by the abolition of interest rates. 
Turmel has attached the name Greenbacks to his system modeled after 
Abraham Lincoln's Greenback system. I prophesy that when the 
electronic revolution gets fully implemented, this is the money 
program that will be used," Turmel adds, waving the computer disk that 
contains the Greenback program, that he will then have the last laugh. 
"A prophet is never recognized in his own land." 
The Greenback system operates on the idea that people pay their taxes 
by working for the state of city. So, in exchange for services 
rendered, the worker receives tradeable tax credit notes. The working 
model for the system is not operating on a local level in British 
Columbia. Some 1,000 Vancouver Island residents are supplementing 
their cash income with "Greendollars" under a bartering system called 
Local Exchange Trading System. 
But it this economic theory which has caused dissension between Turmel 
and the Ottawa chapter of the Green party. National chairman, Trevor 
Hancock, refused to endorse the candidacy of Turmel on the grounds 
that he is using the Green party to "push his own particular economic 
theories and that he did not fully support the principles of the 
party." Infuriated, Turmel is seeking to rid the party of the 
"totalitarian element" which he says exists among a small clique of 
the top Greens and prevents freedom of expression among the general 
membership. "If you want to push an idea such as my Greenbacks theory, 
you pick a party that most closely has your goals, join it and work to 
add your goals if they aren't there or further them if they are. I'm 
as Green as any of them. I've been at all the demonstrations. I was 
the guy with the umbrella full of holes at the acid rain 
By accusing him of not sharing their objectives, Turmel contends the 
"Core of the party" does not want to encourage members to push their 
own ideas rather they are to express Hancock's philosophies. For that 
reason, Turmel plans to run in Toronto riding of Beaches as an 
independent and defeat Hancock on his own territory. Turmel was 
responsible for calling the unofficial nomination meeting which 
followed the party faithful's appointment of John Dodson to represent 
Ottawa Centre. In the succeeding meeting in which the candidates for 
the Ottawa area were officially chosen, appeasing the faction of the 
party that believed the appointment of Dodson was undemocratic, Turmel 
was arrested on a charge of trespassing. Unwilling to let the incident 
pass, Turmel is waiting for the constitutional documentation Greg 
Vezina promised to produce to show why the first party meeting was 
Turmel's most recent venture was a motion before the Federal Court of 
Canada to force the CRTC to adhere to the letter of its regulations 
and allow the leaders of every political party to take part in the 
leaders' debate. In particular, he referred to the section which says 
that free time political broadcasts must be made available on an 
equitable basis. Having failed in this attempt, Turmel has a couple of 
other strategies left to explore. 
For instance, Turmel suggests that if the Independents formed a 
coalition of 280 candidates, Max Keeping or anybody else couldn't keep 
us from a major debate. We will use any legal motions necessary to try 
and block debates going on without us. The second strategy which he 
guarantees will be "clogging the courts," is an attempt to block air 
time given to NDP leader Ed Broadbent. "If the Federal Court judge 
says it's unfair to the majors (the leading parties) for the minors to 
get equal time, then I want Ed Broadbent to get less time. After all, 
if you're going to be undemocratic, do it consistently, not just to 
some people." He adds with a laugh "I'm doing this as a chance to 
corner them into contradicting themselves." (Jerome made sure there 
was no chance for them to contradict themselves)
Ottawa Citizen, Beth Burgess
Independents charged in local riding fracas
More than 900 Ottawa Centre voters cheered as police arrested two 
independent candidates Wednesday night when they refused to leave the 
stage the candidates' debate at Glebe Collegiate. Marc Gauvin and Ray 
Cormier climbed on the stage just before the debate was to begin and 
yelled at the crowd to support their right to address the voters but 
the crowd booed the candidates yelling at them to get off the stage. 
They applauded as police led the two from the schools auditorium. 
Gauvin and Cormier were later charged with petty trespassing and 
released by Ottawa police to appear in court Aug. 29. 
The arrests delayed the meeting by about 10 minutes. Gauvin and 
Cormier, along with a third independent candidate, Roger James, made a 
similar protest at a candidates' meeting at St. Lukes. Although police 
were also called that night, no charges were laid after organizers 
held a vote to decide whether the candidates should be allowed to 
speak. A crowd of about 100 voted in favor of allowing the candidates 
to stay. But organizers from the Glebe Community Association who 
sponsored Wednesday's debate weren't so accommodating. "We 
specifically invited the 3 candidates from the major parties" said 
association vice-president Jim McCarthy. "With 9 candidates running in 
the riding, we would have had to have an hour of opening statements 
and each question would take almost half an hour to finish. We 
consider that an unsatisfactory situation." McCarthy said the minor 
candidates were offered time to address the crowd toward the end of 
the meeting (when all the media had gone home). Only one, James, 
agreed to do so. "The arrests were a very unfortunate way to begin the 
evening but it turned out to be a good hot meeting and I think it 
proved our point that people are here to listen to the main 
candidates," McCarthy said. 
Ottawa Citizen, April Lindgren
Fringe Candidates
The grand-daddy of local fringe candidates is John Turmel, the 
professional gambler who had run in 16 elections in 5 years. He is 
running in Beaches in Toronto this time but has 5 independent 
candidates spreading word of his "economic solution" in the Ottawa 
area. He calls it the Abraham Lincoln job-funding Greenback program -- 
a barter system programmed onto a computer disk that Turmel wants to 
plug into the Bank of Canada's computer system to solve the country's 
problems "within days." 
In addition to his mother, Therese, and brother, Ray, Mireille Landry, 
Serge Girard and Marc Gauvin are running locally to promote the plan. 
Both Gauvin and Cormier were charged with petty trespassing recently 
when they jumped onto the stage of an Ottawa Centre meeting and yelled 
for the crowd to support their right to address the voters. Organizers 
of public meetings in most area ridings often have invited only the 
Tory, Liberal and NDP candidates to participate saying the meetings 
would last too long if everyone was included and that they didn't 
invite one independent candidate without inviting them all. 
There are 61 independent candidates across Canada and another 23 who 
say they have no affiliation. In 1980, there were 55 independents and 
55 with no affiliation. 
Ottawa Citizen Letter, Jim Poushinsky
As one of the two original organizers for the Ottawa Greens, I would 
like to point out that John Turmel is correct in stating that the 
Green party fails to operate democratically. Dr. Trevor Hancock wrote 
his name in as leader of the Greens when a 100 name petition was 
forwarded to register the federal political party. The subsequent 3 
day founding convention attended by 167 delegates representing 4500 
Greens across Canada refused to endorse Hancock as leader or 
spokesperson. Many of the Green candidates seeking office have good 
ideas and personal qualities despite their poor judgment in forming a 
politically expedient alliance with Hancock's unrepresentative regime. 
I hope we will all learn from our mistakes and get on with the 
greening of planet Earth once this election madness passes.
Le Droit, Manon Raiche-Pincine
Moniere: The media ignored us
GATINEAU -- The Nationalist party was the victim of the "Hygrade 
Sausage" syndrome. It's this that explains why his party didn't do too 
well. Like the Hygrade sausage, the more you eat, the fresher they are 
and the fresher they are, the more you eat, you could say about the 
TV, the more you say about us, the more we get and the more votes you 
get, the more you say about it, said Denis Moniere in Gatineau. He had 
come to meet his Outaouais candidates and says that his party is not 
dead and even though the campaign didn't reach its natural clients. 
Le Droit
Defending the PN
Jean Paul Harney, the president of the NDP in Quebec and candidate in 
Levis, has come to the defence of the Parti Nationaliste who did not 
get free air time out of CBC and should have gotten it. He is going to 
complain to the CRTC that this situation shouldn't happen again. 
Ottawa Citizen
Serge Girard says there are two culprits in Canada's ailing economy: 
the banks and interest rates. The independent candidate has the answer 
for at least one of these problems. Abolish interest rates. Girard, 
34, a supply teacher, has allied himself politically with Ottawa's 
most famous also-ran politician John Turmel. In a proposal vaguely 
reminiscent of the Social Credit line, Girard says his political 
allies would abolish interest rates and set up a barter system. He 
says the group would also outlaw insurance. If a house burned down, 
area residents would help the victim rebuild.
Therese Turmel believes she has the solution to the country's problems 
on a small computer disk. The 55 year-old mother of perpetual fringe 
candidates John and Ray Turmel is staking her political fortunes on 
Abraham Lincoln's job-funding Greenback program programmed onto the 
disk by her "genius son John." The program involves bartering for 
labor and goods, abolition of interest rates and a system that would 
allow everyone to issue and manage their own money supply. This 
Turmel's first venture into politics as a candidate but she says she 
is an experienced campaigner having worked for her sons in their ill-
fated attempts to gain office at all levels. The former teacher and 
translator who has been on a disability pension since 1971 also 
pickets regularly in front of the Bank of Canada on Thursdays to 
protest bank policy and interest rates. 
One of the main issues in this election is the threat to democracy by 
the biased media, says independent Green candidate Ray Turmel. Big 
Brother is taking over, it's as simple as that, said the 32 year-old 
Gatineau resident who "fights banks" with his brother John. We should 
have limitless money," he says explaining that people should be able 
to borrow as much as they need without paying interest on it. 
Ironically, Turmel survives financially to the banking system he 
abhors. His father dies recently and Turmel, his wife and two children 
live off the interest he was bequeathed. Turmel says he chose to run 
as an independent Green because he was denied a fair opportunity to 
seek the official Green party nomination. 
Independent candidate Marc Gauvin's platform is all on a computer 
disk. The disk outlines a monetary system to end unemployment and 
inflation that was developed by professional gambler John Turmel 
(notice how they always mention gambler and never engineer. A program 
developed by an engineer would be more difficult to denigrate.) Gauvin 
says the government could solve the economic crisis by giving the 
unemployed interest-free tax credits. "Until we solve the economic 
problem, we'll never be able to solve the problems of the environment, 
disarmament, poverty and hunger." He was nominated to represent the 
Green party in Ottawa Carleton but decided to run as an independent.
Halifax Chronicle Herald, Ken McQueen CP
Turmel fails to stop election
OTTAWA -- At 11:11a.m. Tuesday, James Jerome, associate chief justice 
of the Federal Court of Canada, appeared to stifle a sigh as he 
announced "Call the Turmel matter." The matter was an attempt by 
perennial candidate and amateur lawyer John Turmel to have the Federal 
Court order the Chief Electoral Officer to cancel Tuesday's federal 
election. The fact that thousands of voters were already streaming to 
the polls in all parts of the country except the westernmost pacific 
zone didn't appear to affect Turmel, an Ottawa resident running 
Toronto Beaches riding. 
Jerome accepted about 15 minutes of enthusiastic argument by Turmel 
before dismissing his application. It was at least the third time in 
this campaign that Turmel has tried and failed to get the Federal 
Court of issue injunctions related to the election or election 
television coverage. This time Turmel argued the election was 
"tainted" because he and other independent or "small party" candidates 
haven't received what he considered fair television coverage. Having 
failed to halt the election, Turmel presented the court with a 
petition signed by 15 independent candidates who want their $200 
election deposits back. "I have been the victim of an undemocratic 
election" Turmel said.
Journal de Montreal `EN BREF' 
Ottawa Citizen, Charles Gordon
Being in a crowd makes you think about your fellow man
Special Agent, I suppose you've been studying how the behavior 
patterns of the city have been affected, Special Agent?
Of course, sir. You know how every Thursday these people wave signs in 
front of the Bank of Canada condemning interest rates? 
Well, yesterday, they moved to Wellington St. and waved them at the 
They thought interest rates were his fault?
No. They thought that was where the crowd was.
Ottawa Citizen, Chris Hall
Turmel fined for trespassing at meeting
The Green Party had John Turmel seeing red Monday. The professional 
gambler and perennial candidate was fined $53 after a Justice of the 
Peace Gerry Binda convicted him of trespassing Aug. 5 at a Green party 
nomination meeting. Turmel said he will appeal the conviction and fine 
to the Provincial Court. 
He was charged after twice being evicted from the meeting which had 
been called to resolve the dispute between Turmel and his supporters 
and the party executive. (Executive?) The dispute arose over the 
manner in which party candidates were nominated to run in Ottawa 
ridings during the Sept. 4 general election. (They never told the 
people how my meeting operated. Though they mentioned the other was 
not democratic, they never mentioned mine was fine.)
Ottawa Citizen, Dennis Foley
Federal candidate convicted of trespassing at meeting
A fringe candidate in last month's federal election was found guilty 
in provincial court of trespassing during an Ottawa Centre candidates 
meeting at Glebe Collegiate. Ray Joseph Cormier, 40, a self-styled 
religious prophet, argued he had a right under the charter of rights 
to address the meeting sponsored by the Glebe Community Association. 
But james McCarthy, Association vice-president, told the court the 
gathering was not billed as an all-candidates' meeting. Six candidates 
had been told they could speak after the main debate among the 
Liberal, PC and NDP candidates. When Cormier and Marc Gauvin refused 
to leave the stage, they were charged with trespassing. "You cannot 
impose your views on the people who organized the meeting" Justice of 
the Peace Gerry Binda said in finding Cormier guilty. When the minimum 
fine of $53 was imposed, Cormier said he would not pay it on principle 
and wanted jail instead. Binda told Cormier he would have to wait the 
customary 15 days allowed to pay a fine allowed under the Provincial 
Offences Act before exercising that option. `The alternative is 6 days 
in jail. Gauvin's trial is set for Nov. 7.
Ottawa Citizen, Charles Gordon
Demonstration downtown gets typical Ottawa reaction
Two things happen at every demonstration in Ottawa. The first thing is 
that demonstrators from other causes try to get in on the act. The 
second is that downtown Ottawa ignores it. 
Ten thousand people could parade down Bank St. dressed as transvestite 
white mice and people would just go about their business. Only John 
Turmel paid attention. Ever resourceful in his campaign against the 
Bank of Canada, Turmel carried a sign that linked crime to poverty, 
poverty to banks. "Are you hanging the right people?" he shouted as 
the policemen as they passed Sparks St. "Yeah you!" one policeman 
shouted back. 
Ottawa Citizen, CP
RCMP probing complaints of improper voting conduct
The RCMP is investigating complaints of improper conduct during the 
federal election... Two people were disorderly at an all-candidates 
meeting during the campaign.
Ottawa Citizen
Independent candidate John Turmel suggested the province's funding 
problems could be solved by using the Greenback system, which involves 
working for the government in exchange for tax credit notes.
Ottawa Citizen
John Turmel, a perennial independent, said the housing shortage could 
be solved through his Greenback system, which would put people to work 
for the government building new homes for pay in tax credit notes.
Ottawa Citizen, Anne McNeilly
Ottawa Centre candidates
In Ottawa Centre, six candidates are vying for the seat left vacant by 
MPP Michael Cassidy who won a federal seat. Evelyn Gigantes is 
competing against Graham Bird and Lowell Green. Greg Vezina, who ran 
federally for the Green party in Nepean slipped in just under the 
deadline. At first, his candidacy wasn't going to be allowed because 
only 78 of the 100 names required were on the voters' list and lived 
in the riding. But because of Vezina's confusion over federal and 
provincial boundaries for Ottawa Centre, Warren Bailie, the province's 
chief election officer, decided to allow his name to stand. The 
independent candidates are John Turmel and Ray Cormier.
The independent candidate in Ottawa East is Serge Girard.
Ottawa Citizen, Sherry Baron
Candidates attempt to stop TV debate
Two candidates vying for the Ottawa Centre seat in the Dec. 13 
provincial by-election are taking legal action against CJOH-TV because 
they say the station is denying them an equal opportunity to be heard 
next week during a political debate. Green Party candidate Greg Vezina 
and John Turmel are seeking separate injunctions in the Supreme Court 
of Ontario Tuesday to stop CJOH from broadcasting the debate in its 
present format. Both candidates notified the station Friday of their 
intent to bring legal action. They say the stations' policy violates 
various regulations and ignores democratic rights guaranteed in the 
Charter. "They're not allowing me an equal chance to get my message to 
the people," says 27 year-old Vezina. He wants the debate postponed 
until the courts can rule on its constitutionality. Although Tuesday's 
debate will allow Turmel, Vezina and Cormier one minute each at the 
beginning of thee show to make a statement, all three will be excluded 
from the following live 15-minute debate. The statements are to be 
taped in advance. Station policy for such debates restricts 
participation to people who represent registered political parties who 
have seats in the provincial legislature or the House of Commons. 
Ottawa Citizen Editorial Cartoon, King
Some loony protest signs saying "The Earth is Flat," "Stop 
Fluoridation Now," "Save the Baboons," "Arrest the Bank of Canada," 
VDTs cause cancer," with someone yelling "Hey look. A new member" when 
a guy is approaching with "Ban Rubella Vaccine." 
Ottawa Citizen, Sherry Baron
Two candidates seek rulings on TV debate
In a separate case, The Supreme Court of Canada dismissed Monday an 
application from Turmel who was seeking leave to appeal a similar case 
involving CJOH-TV. Turmel has been fighting through the courts since 
last January to get CJOH news producer Max Keeping charged with theft, 
breach of trust and conspiracy for not letting him participate in a 
debate broadcast by the station Dec. 6, 1983. Turmel was a provincial 
candidate at the time for the riding of SDG.
Ottawa Citizen 
Independent John Turmel is delivering his familiar message about the 
Greenback system which would provide tax-payers with tax credits in 
exchange for work down for the government. Turmel, 33, who says he 
makes his living at a mobile blackjack game, explains his Greenback 
system is programmed on a computer disk he displays at public 
Ottawa Citizen, Jennifer Jackson
Exclusion of 3 candidates sparks TV-debate boycott
Two of the three major candidates in Ottawa Centre's by-election 
walked out moments before the taping of a CJOH debate because other 
candidates weren't permitted to participate. Conservative Graham Bird 
and Liberal Lowell Green left the Merivale Rd. Studios about 6p.m. 
when station officials refused to let Green party candidate Greg 
Vezina and independents Ray Cormier and John Turmel participate. NDP 
candidate Evelyn Gigantes remained. 
Bird said later: "I think any legitimate candidate should be able to 
play. No matter how much I disagree with them, they should be able to 
say their piece." But Gigantes, who stayed for what ended up to be a 
15 minute interview with news director Max Keeping said: "I don't see 
any reason why the three other candidates should be involved in the 
debate. They aren't newsmakers since they can't attract enough support 
for their ideas to get a member elected to the government. I think it 
was ridiculous for Green and Bird to walk off, if not of bad intent."
Vezina applauded the integrity of Bird and Green saying: "It's 
something Evelyn Gigantes doesn't have and I'd like you to quote me 
please. I get awfully upset when I'm called a fringe candidate. I 
don't think peace, the environment and democracy are fringe issues. 
Turmel said: "Good for them. What guts. I never thought they'd take a 
Keeping said all six candidates were given one minute to state their 
positions but only the three major candidates were invited to 
participate in the taped debate to be aired about 11:30p.m. after the 
1 minutes segments. Keeping said the station stipulates only 
candidates from parties that have elected provincial or federal 
members can join in these debates. Otherwise, the forum becomes too 
unwieldy. (how about excluding my mother, the fourth and only 
candidate?) Asked why he didn't cancel the debate after Bird and Green 
walked out, Keeping said: "That the other two candidates couldn't take 
part is no reason to discriminate against Ms. Gigantes who was willing 
to abide by the ground rules. This isn't a free-time political 
broadcast, it's a news broadcast. We want to present what the voters 
need to know." The station has used this format for about 10 years and 
no candidates have refused to participate. Keeping said another debate 
won't be rescheduled before the Dec. 13 provincial by-election but he 
will review the policy. He estimates about 75,000 people would have 
seen the debate.
The show started falling apart around 4p.m. when Vezina went to 
Green's campaign headquarters to tell him he just lost his case in the 
Ontario Supreme Court where he hoped the judge would force CJOH to 
allow him an equal opportunity to speak. "When he told me he'd lost 
the court decision, I said I simply couldn't go on," said Green. 
Vezina later travelled to Bird's campaign headquarters and got the 
same answer. Both Bird and Green said they waited until the last 
minute before refusing to appear on the show because they were waiting 
for the outcome of the court case heard earlier Tuesday. Green said he 
was astonished the representative of the NDP, of all parties, should 
be the one to support shutting out the others. "The CCF was a so-
called fringe party that had trouble getting attention from the 
Ottawa Citizen
The fourth candidate is Serge Girard, a political ally of John Turmel. 
Girard, 35, is a high school supply teacher. He has run once before in 
Ottawa East as a member of the Social Credit party and twice for 
Ottawa Council. Girard ran in the federal election as an independent 
candidate allied with Turmel. Girard and Turmel believe the province's 
financial problems can be solved by using Turmel's Greenback system, 
which involves working for the government in exchange for tax credit 
Ottawa Citizen, Kathryn May
The harshest attacks came from Independent John Turmel and Green Greg 
Vezina who repeatedly slammed Gigantes for participating in a CJOH 
debate which both Bird and Green boycotted because the other three 
were excluded.
Ottawa Citizen, Kelly Egan
NDP's Gigantes blasted for TV debate role
New Democrat Evelyn Gigantes came under harsh criticism for taking 
part in a television debate that was not open to all six candidates. 
Her opponents spent much of the two hour show on cable television 
criticizing her stand which she took part in alone last week. Only 
Gigantes, Green and Bird were invited to the 15 minute debate while 
the other three candidates were given 1 minute on tape to make 
presentations. While Green and Bird left the debate after giving 1 
minute speeches, Gigantes stayed and was interviewed for the remainder 
of the allotted time. On air Monday at the final candidates' meeting 
before Thursday's vote, John Turmel served Gigantes with a writ for 
defamation for remarks he said she made. Green also criticized 
Gigantes as did Greg Vezina who said of Bird and Green: "Their 
integrity is worth more than 15 minutes of air time." Gigantes 
meanwhile defended her actions by saying that CJOH and debate host Max 
Keeping were free to set the format for the event based on the 
newsworthiness of the candidates.
A couple of times, I said she prostituted her integrity for the time.
Globe & Mail, Orland French
A twist in a tale of politics
One night last week, Ottawa CJOH television station scheduled an all-
candidates debate for the benefit of voters in the Ottawa Centre by-
election. Well, it wasn't quite an all-candidates' debate. It was a 
debate featuring candidates from the 3 old line parties. It did not 
include three so-called "fringe" candidates. 
When it came time to tape the debate, a very strange thing happened. 
The two older-line party candidates refused to go on the show unless 
the 3 minor candidates were given equal time. Evelyn Gigantes went on 
the show alone and got all the air time, 15 minutes worth, for 
herself. Was she a smart politician or did she undermine her 
credibility as a candidate of the party that claims to be on the side 
of the little guy? If you're a voter in a centretown riding, whether 
Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, wherever, you know how fringe candidates 
clutter up a neat election campaign. They bore you at all-candidates 
meetings and they consume precious and limited television air time. 
They are a nuisance for most people because only a very few ever vote 
for them. In the 1980 federal election in Ottawa Centre, 7 fringe 
candidates competed with the 3 old-line parties. Altogether, the seven 
drew fewer than a thousand votes. 
But they are a democratic nuisance, part of the price of the system in 
which everyone can run for office. As candidates, they have as much 
right to be heard as representatives of the established parties. 
Democracy is fine on the ballot, but not on a news show. CJOH news 
director Max Keeping says he wasn't running a free-time political 
affairs show. He said he was running a news show to which he had the 
right to invite whoever he wanted. He wanted the 3 major candidates 
because they were news. (he was making them news.) The others were 
not. "We're trying to create a format where the serious voter can make 
an informed decision. (Notice how if you vote for the fringe, you're 
not a serious voter and they're not going to cater to you) "We don't 
have to give equal time but we try to give equitable time." 
CJOH permitted all six candidates to tape a 1 minute message but only 
the 3 major candidates were invited to join the subsequent discussion. 
Mr. Keeping says CJOH defines the candidates it will invite as those 
belonging to the parties having members sitting in the legislature. 
Mr. Green however points out that this isn't fair to some serious 
candidates. Tony Roman, for instance, would not have been invited to 
appear on CJOH under those rules because he ran as an independent. He 
was hardly a fringe candidate for he won his seat on Sept. 4. We 
weren't asking CJOH to have them on the show with us. We only wanted 
to give them equal time." With a straight face, he added "We asked 
CJOH to delay the Twilight Zone by 15 minutes after the next evening's 
news show. 
Mr. Bird said "I'm not willing to decide who is nuts and who isn't. 
It's the cherished right of the individual to get involved and speak. 
I'm not sure I want to set a ministry of silly people and decide who 
has the right to speak." There's one more element to the story and 
it's significant. One of the fringe candidates is Greg Vezina, of the 
Green party of Ontario. Unlike the other two, he represents a party 
which is duly registered with the Chief Electoral Officer of Ontario 
having collected 10,000 signatures from Ontario residents. The Green 
party has no members elected anywhere in Canada but does have members 
in West Germany. Ms. Gigantes suggested that Mr. Vezina is really a 
Tory at heart. "He talks the Conservative party line about a lean, 
mean government." This apparently is enough to rule him off the 
candidates' stage. She also contends that "it's difficult for people 
to follow an election with six candidates." It would be much simpler 
with only one candidate. What she doesn't mention is that the NDP won 
Ottawa Centre by only 595 votes in 1981. The environmentalist Green 
party might siphon of enough NDP votes to turn it into a squeaker.
Globe & Mail, Evelyn Gigantes letter
News judgment
Orland French overlooked a few facts in his column. The Green 
candidate in Ottawa Centre was a delegate to the Conservative 
leadership convention in 1983. He supported Peter Pocklington. He's a 
Conservative in Green clothing. The Liberal and PC candidates had 
already appeared with me in a 3 party debate on CHEZ-FM (with the 
second largest radio ratings in Ottawa). The decision to challenge the 
CJOH news format was initiated by the Conservatives; their candidate 
was ineffectual in 10 debates, eight with the minor candidates. They 
challenged the 3 party CJOH format because it would have provided full 
discussion of the issues to a wide Ottawa audience. Mr. French did not 
mention the housing crisis in Ottawa Centre -- that's a real issue. 
CJOH news standards are not. 
On the issue of news coverage: since when did newspapers provide equal 
access to minor candidates? News judgments are made every time an 
article is printed and it is passing strange to find a newspaper 
columnist define the rules for news values in other media.
[Find what her answers are on it and put it in to show what she has to 
offer on the subject of her choice.]
Ottawa Citizen
Rae also told reporters he supported Evelyn Gigantes' decision to 
participate in a television debate that excluded minor candidates. He 
called the CJOH-TV debate, for which Gigantes has been strongly 
criticized by her opponents, "a political routine cooked up by the 
other two candidates." Ray said never in his political life has he 
been involved in a television debate that included all candidates.
Ottawa Citizen
Girard spent most of his time discussing the "greenback system" 
designed by his political ally John Turmel. In this system, people 
work for the government and are paid with tax credits.
Ottawa Citizen Editorial, Russ Mills
Debating politics beyond the fringe
Now that the voters have made their choice in the Ottawa Centre by-
election, this may be a good time to look back at the controversy that 
erupted over the participation of the fringe candidates in a televised 
debate. Graham Bird and Lowell Green both walked out of the CJOH 
studio a few moments before the debate was to have been taped because 
the station would not allow Green party candidate Greg Vezina and 
independents John Turmel and Ray Cormier to take part. Only NDP Evelyn 
Gigantes -- the eventual winner -- agreed to stay.
The station was simply applying the policy it has followed for the 
past decade (not true) which stipulates that only candidates from 
parties that have elected members provincially or federally to 
participate (good pretext). Other candidates are allowed to tape a 1 
minute statement. Bird and Green should have been aware of this 
policy. They could have advised CJOH well in advance that they 
wouldn't take part in the debate unless all candidates were invited. 
By stalking of into the night at the last moment, their action smacked 
more of grandstanding than standing on principle. 
If CJOH believes that allowing fringe candidates to take part would 
turn such debates into a pointless farce, that is its judgment to 
make. (Can they exclude a major?) As news director Max Keeping said, 
they are not free-time political broadcasts. They're news broadcasts, 
properly within CJOH's editorial control. 
Bird and Green were also free to refuse to participate on CJOH's terms 
but did they really understand what they were doing. If so, should 
they not also have refused to be interviewed by the Citizen since this 
newspaper gave their campaigns more coverage than their three fringe 
competitors. Or are there limits to their devotion to the principle of 
equal treatment? By their decision, the voters of Ottawa Centre were 
deprived of a rare opportunity to assess the three major candidates 
together. Bird and Green might reflect upon that -- and whose 
interests were served by their action.

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