TURMEL POLITICAL PRESS 1981
810107 Ottawa Citizen, Tony Cote Gambler to ask court to subpoena mayors, police chiefs Ottawa gambler John Turmel is heading to the Supreme Court of Ontario, in an attempt to subpoena mayors and police chiefs of area municipalities to testify at his trial on a number of gambling charges. Provincial Court Judge Robert Hutton adjourned the stormy first day of the trial so Turmel may appeal an earlier decision by Justice of the Peace Lynn Coulter refusing him permission to subpoena his witnesses. Turmel had asked to have subpoenas issued to about 20 people including the mayor's of Nepean, Ottawa and Hull and their respective police chiefs. Turmel explained he wanted to call the police chiefs and mayors to show that he was allowed to operate his gambling games everywhere but in Ottawa. Coulter ruled the witnesses where not material to the gambling charges and when Hutton reached the same decision in Tuesday's trial, Turmel claimed he wants to appeal the decision because he isn't getting a fair opportunity to defend himself. Hutton then adjourned the trial until the end of the month. Turmel was charged by Ottawa police last May with keeping a common gaming house (a charge thrown out by Hutton after citing a Supreme Court decision on another case); keeping paraphenalia for gambling; and inducing person to hazard money on a gambling game. If convicted, he faces a minimum of 14 days in jail, as he already has two other gambling offence convictions. I liked that I wanted the chiefs to show that games were allowed everywhere but Ottawa. This evidence was ruled immaterial.
Ottawa Citizen, Editorial Deposits would help "One of the principals of democracy is anyone can run for office. True, candidates have to meet certain citizenship and age requirements but there are no real barriers to seeking election. The principal, of course, is that no one should be barred from office simply because of a potential candidate's lack of money or cannot round up sufficient supporters to sign nomination papers. That's why candidates in Ontario have an easy time of it... The inevitable result is that Ontario become cluttered with nuisance candidates. They were evident in the last municipal election campaign, when anyone with an ax to grind could run for office if he or she could inveigle 10 friends to sign nomination papers. No monetary deposit was required. Although these types of candidates have to chance to be elected, they gain a free soap box at all candidates' meetings and an opportunity to complain about subsequent lack of coverage by the media. Some are well intentioned, some have a pet peeve to promote, some are simply glory-seekers and some are eccentrics. Occasionally, they force taxpayers to pay the cost of an expensive election when good candidates would otherwise be acclaimed. The question is how to separate the pecans from the peanuts. There is no easy way. A deposit of $200 and the requirement of 100 signatures might deter some candidates... But anyone who is seriously running for office will have enough supporters to provide the required dollars and and signatures. Serious aldermanic election campaigns require expenditures of several hundred to several thousands of dollars. If a candidate can't come up with $200, then he or she hasn't a hope of being elected.... Perhaps the present of nuisances is the price of democracy. But, just because someone meets the minimum requirements for nomination, doesn't mean he or she is worthy of attention. Getting 10 buddies to sign a piece of paper doesn't turn a nobody into a candidate to be taken seriously." It opens the possibility of the error of mislabeling someone that is not there if all are treated equally.
810227Fr Ottawa Citizen, Lewis Seale Federal Court has taken under advisement a new bid by John Turmel to stop the Bank of Canada from charging interest. There was no indication how long Justice Louis Marceau would take to give a ruling. The bank did no bother putting up a defence. When Turmel took his case to Ontario Supreme Court last fall, he was brought up by a ruling that the court did not have jurisdiction. That's why he's trying his luck in Federal Court.
810302Mo Ottawa Citizen, Tim Harper Debate "no shows" rile city audience, Ken McQueen One of the meetings organizers said she only learned Cassidy wasn't going to show late Monday afternoon. Less than 30 minutes into the meeting, proceedings were brought temporarily to a halt when a shouting match developed between perpetual candidate John Turmel, running for Social Credit in Ottawa Centre, and meeting chairman Joe Mangione. Turmel -- vociferously backed up by younger brother Ray, Social Credit candidate in Ottawa South -- demanded that he be allowed to answer a question from the floor. An angry Mangione, chairman of the Carleton Separate School Board, ordered the police be called to take Turmel away. However, an audience, appalled at the idea of police carting off a candidate, voted to let each candidate respond to every question.
810303Tu Ottawa Citizen, Lewis Seale John Turmel loses round in Bank of Canada case Gambler-politician John Turmel has lost yet another round in court as he tries to stop the Bank of Canada from charging interest. "Beyond the powers of the court," was the crisp ruling from Justice Louis Marceau of Federal Court. He went on to label Turmel's application for an order banning interest "frivolous" and an "abuse" of the court process. Undaunted, Turmel says he will appeal. (final edition)
Le Droit, Michel Ouimet John Turmel manages to disrupt a meeting John Turmel has chosen to make his entry into the campaign in a noisy fashion. As an independent-Creditiste was even threatened with expulsion by the police for having disrupted the last night's debate at Immaculata High School. After having answered the question, the organizer asked the Conservative David Small and the New Democrat Chris Chilton to expound further on their answers. They did. Then, the moderator, Mr. Joseph Mangione, invited more questions for the candidates. There was already another person at the microphone to ask another question when John Turmel, visibly frustrated at not having had a second chance to answer the question, like Smart and Chilton, rose from his seat and demanded the right to answer, accusing the moderator of not having given him an equal chance. Then followed a shouting match. John's brother, Ray, who is running in Ottawa South, got involved and the two started denouncing Mr. Mangione's actions. Several people in the audience started booing Turmel when he said "Hey, kid, don't make us mad," to the person at the microphone who was still trying to ask his question. A little more and it could have led to blows. Mangione therefore called the police during a 5- or 6-minute "pause " Finally, the services of the police were not necessary because the meeting voted to permit Turmel to say what he wanted to say, and the debate proceeded uneventfully.
810306Fr Ottawa Citizen, Jane Taber The longer ballots in the five Ottawa ridings can be credited to perennial candidate and loser John Turmel, seeking the Ottawa Centre seat in his sixth election. He's also managed to persuade his brother, Ray, and several friends to seek seats in neighboring ridings. Turmel, who assumed the role of interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit Party just five days ago, says he is a serious candidate and will be tough opposition to NDP leader Michael Cassidy.
810310Tu Le Droit, France Pilon Debate in Ottawa Centre: Once again, Turmel disrupts a meeting, Turmel in his 7th campaign Picture of me showing my sign `A vote for the NDP is a vote for a "Week's severance pay for laid-off workers: Cassidy election vow" and a vote for the Social Credit Engineer is a vote for jobs. OTTAWA -- Faithful to his habits, the leader of the Ontario Social Credit party and candidate in Ottawa Centre, Mr. John Turmel, one again managed to disrupt a political debate. Actually, during the debate, Mr. Turmel, who does not tolerate any criticism, got involved in a virulent exchange with some members of the audience, even insulting someone who was trying to call him to order. The noisy incident occurred when one voter decided to have Mr. Turmel directly answer the question, on health care, without letting him use his unique all-purpose answer, a miracle equation which would allow for the establishment of an interest-free banking system. Offended at being abruptly interrupted, Mr. Turmel shouted as loud as he could allowing his opponent little chance of finishing his intervention. "Go take a walk, fish! You don't understand anything. Use your head," he told him adding to the insult several outrageous epithets which were very disagreeable to hear. The verbal battle that took place after the debate almost turned into a fight when Turmel invited the angry voter to come and try to prove what he was trying to say. But Turmel's inelegant sayings at least served to enliven the atmosphere and keep the attention of the 400 voters present, some of whom had started getting bored and were already starting to leave. SOCIAL CREDIT Now 30 years old, Turmel is in his seventh election campaign under the Social Credit banner including 4 federal, one municipal and two provincial campaigns, all with the same program and the same promise: The establishment of a computerized interest-free social credit banking system. Owner of a business "Turmel's Social Credit Computer" and a gambling house incorporated in Ontario, John Turmel wages his campaign armed with a blackboard where he writes his miracle equation and his hard- hat titled `The Engineer.' Though he may be a fine mathematician, Mr. Turmel lacks psychology and is aggressive with the crowd rather than courting its favor. He doesn't hesitate if someone disagrees with his theory to proffer insults and outrageous proposals at the objector. Intolerant, he demands the attention of all though he never lets his opponents finish what they have to say. In debates, he invariably uses the same answer for all questions -- an miracle all-purpose answer which he uses with all sauces. Confidently, he defies anyone to show one flaw in his system. During the debate, he even offered NDP leader Michael Cassidy, a $3,000 to $1 bet. "There is no flaw in my banking system. I have the science," he declared during a telephone interview. Indignant at having to pay interest on mortgage loans, Mr. Turmel has already tried pursue actions against the bank of Canada so that it would restrict itself to the service charges and abolish the interest charges. Since the, his case is going from one court to the other and will soon be heard in the Supreme Court of Ontario.
Ottawa Citizen, Kerry Lockhart
Turmel said "Don't bug me and I won't bug you."
810312Th Ottawa Citizen Turmel and plank back Turmel, claiming the interim leadership of the Ontario Social Credit Party, continues to flog his one-plank platform: the elimination of all interest rates and a computerized financial system. The elimination of interest rates would wipe out inflation immediately and an computer hookup in every home would render banks useless and allow immediate easy access to necessary credit, he says.
Carleton Charlatan Another journey to the promised land John "The Engineer" Turmel makes no bones about the fact that he is a one-issue candidate. The professional gambler and perpetual office-seeker, recently- returned from a two-week engagement at the Ottawa jail, says that interest rates are the problem and their elimination is the solution. For all his flamboyant talk of "no interest computer mortgages", "genocidal functions", and future Nobel prizes for economics, Turmel's message is a simple one. The only way to get zero inflation and zero unemployment is to set the interest rate at zero. People are afraid it's too simple, but they've been conned." The 30 year old former Carleton student says that there is a fundamental difference between Social Credit and the three major parties. Gesturing wildly, Turmel explains that, "Liberal, Conservatives and New Democratic are adjectives, but Social Credit is both and adjective and a noun. It is a method. It is the solution to the genocide perpetrated by monopoly capitalism." Turmel talks excitedly of a society that seems to be drawn straight from the pages of Kurt Vonnegut's Player Piano. He argues that, "It's only a matter of time until the scientists and engineers gain political control anyway." Asked whether he has difficulty explaining his algebraic inflation and unemployment equations to the voters of Ottawa-Centre, Turmel explained that he uses biblical quotations as proof of the humanity of the Social Credit solution. Quoting from Paul to the Corinthians and Luke, Turmel noted that his proposals are not only mathematically irrefutable, "but Christian to boot!" Predicting the abolition of banks within a decade, Turmel foresees that insurance companies will likewise go the way of the Dodo. "Under the Social Credit system," says Turmel, "we'll pay as we burn, but never again up front." Turmel's dilemma is one of visibility versus respectability. Charging the Bank of Canada with genocide and keeping a common gaming house ensures media coverage for himself and his ideas. Unfortunately for Turmel, such antics also cause people to dismiss him a a publicity-hungry crank. Picture of Ray Turmel This is the Ontario Social Credit party which is out to prove it is not a prehistoric creature from Canada's political past. Its candidate is Ray Turmel together with his brother, the notorious John Turmel (Ottawa Centre candidate and interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit), Raymond is running a very low budget campaign. The political "Laurel and Hardy" of Ottawa have received little attention from the media Turmel said The Citizen, CJOH and CFGO have all refused equal political time for the Social Credit movement. To questions posed on any issue, Ray Turmel will declare "It's just a matter of funding" Turmel's grandiose schemes for solving the woes of society include such gems as an "education credit card, interest free" for students. His views are indeed unique in this campaign.
810313Fr Toronto Sun, Ted Welsh Fates have it in for Mike It should be obvious by now that God is not a New Democrat. But having accepted that, why does he continue playing practical jokes on NDP Leader Mike Cassidy? We all have our cross to bear, but why is Cassidy's so heavy? Take yesterday for example, Cassidy was flogged every step of the way by John "The Engineer" Turmel, his 30 year old Social Credit opponent from back home in Ottawa Centre. It was expected the day would be a lengthy, serious discussion of the desperate need for more day care in metro, highlighted by a position paper, a visit with some kids and a news conference. Instead, it turned into a bizarre attempt by Turmel to preach his gospel according to the Bank of Canada and generally give the impression he's just landed on Earth via the Mars milk run. People joke on the NDP bus that Mike from Ork wasn't really born in Victoria and actually hails from Mars. It's not such a joke with Turmel. The loud, wise-cracking Turmel beamed himself into Cassidy's first event at the Immigrant Womens' job Placement Centre on Spadina Ave. where the plan was to talk about women's problems getting affordable day care. But first, Cassidy had to get past the sign-waving Turmel, dubbed "The Spaceman," decked out in his white hard hat with "The Engineer" printed on it. "He's afraid of me," shouted Turmel, "It's a question of winners and he's a loser. A Vote for Cassidy is a vote for severance pay (whatever that means)." "He's not getting away from me," Turmel muttered as Cassidy moved off into the offices. It was at that point that the weird factor was cranked up another notch as Turmel began snarling at NDP aide Robin Sears "don't get in my way, don't push me ever again." Then Turmel stomped on a radio reporter's toe and the newsman began waving his microphone in the man's face. Sears meanwhile was protesting his innocence, while the serious-face Cassidy ignored the insanity across the room and calmly lent his ear to the litany of woe from the women. Sears said later Turmel had given him a kidney punch. At one point, press aide Warren Caragata then entered the fray, telling Turmel in a terse voice "you're a guest here. Don't push it." When Cassidy arrived at the St. Stephen's Daycare Centre, Turmel had already arrived and was busy telling a three-year girl that the leader "won't give you a job. He's for severance pay." She didn't appear impressed. "Where's my opponent hiding?" Turmel roared as party workers grimaced. After Cassidy toured the centre to meet all the pre-schoolers, he then came out into the playground where - standing amid a tangle of tricycles, climbing bars and swings - he talked about how his party would make universal day care for all a right and not a privilege Across the street, Turmel sat on the hood of his car shouting insults at Cassidy and waving a wad of money stuck in his fist. "Chicken", he screamed, making a cluckcluck sound as the TV camera whirred. "Do you want to vote for a chicken?" And finally, Turmel showed up to sit with the media to monitor Cassidy's 15 minute interview at MTV where he had to be told a couple of times to "shut up" when he began blathering on during the show. He mentioned spending nine days in jail a few weeks ago after being convicted of what he called "possession of a deck of cards." Turns out Turmel bills himself as a professional gambler. "Have game, will travel. "Yes." Ah yes, covering the NDP space shuttle does indeed have its wackier moments. Oh, almost forgot. The entire MTV interview was done in Italian and the NDP had to call in a party interpreter. Just another one of those out space days.
London Free Press, Cheryl Hamilton It just wasn't Cassidy's day Toronto- Just about everywhere Michael Cassidy went Thursday, someone was there to give him a hard time. Leaders of the opposition parties don't usually have to face head-to- head criticism on the campaign trail -it's the premier who gets most of that kind of heat. But the NDP leader was dogged for most of the day by a tenacious, fast-talking, sign-waving, Social Credit opponent from his home riding of Ottawa Centre. When Cassidy arrived at the Immigrant Women's job Placement Centre where he was to talk to some women about day-care problems, John Turmel, a 30-year-old electrical engineer who says he makes his living as a professional gambler, was waiting. Turmel, who is president of the Ontario Social Credit party and is running for the Socreds in Cassidy's riding, claimed Cassidy was avoiding all-candidates debates in Ottawa. But Cassidy has participated in three such debates this week, two in Ottawa on Monday and one radio session by telephone hook-up from London on Wednesday, Turmel said Cassidy has missed some others. Inside the women's centre, Turmel complained in a loud voice that Cassidy's staffers were "pushing me around" and trying to block his way. The Cassidy people said they weren't, and advised Turmel to calm down. Turmel eventually left, but showed up at the next stop - a Toronto day care centre -bringing his sign criticizing Cassidy for supporting severance pay for workers. Turmel was still wearing a white hard hat identifying him as "The Engineer." As Cassidy delivered his message on day care in the centre's playground, Turmel sat on a car roof shouting "chicken" and waving a wad of bills. The money represented a bet he tried to make with Cassidy at an all-candidates meeting Monday. The odds he gave were 3,000 to 1 that the NDP leader couldn't find a flaw in Turmel's economic platform. Cassidy declined the bet. Turmel, who has run several times in the past for other public offices in Ottawa and lost, claims he has found the answer to unemployment and inflation; give everyone a no-interest line of credit at the bank. He said he offers "no-interest mortgages by computer." Cassidy and his aides managed to keep smiling most of the time while Turmel kept yelling. Turmel said he'd keep after Cassidy until the leader agreed to attend another meeting in Ottawa early next week. "He ain't getting away from me." Later, at the taping of an interview in Italian at a multilingual television station, Turmel was on hand again, giving out his "certificates of economic intelligence" which say that credit with interest amounts to usury. Turmel, who told reporters he had been sent to jail recently for his gambling activities - for "possession of a deck of cards" -sat with newsmen while an NDP worker translated the gist of the Cassidy interview into English. Turmel brought along a woman he identified as one of blackjack dealers, as well as two other Socred candidates.
Toronto Star, Rick Haliechuk Cassidy is shadowed by "fringe" candidate It was a touch unwordly on the Mike Cassidy tour yesterday, like a trip to the nether regions of outer space. When the NDP leader arrived at the Immigrant Women's Job Placement Centre, there to greet him was John Turmel, reputed to be the leader of the Ontario Social Credit party and a candidate against Cassidy in Ottawa Centre. Sporting a white hard-hat with the word "engineer" written on it, Turmel cheerfully accused Cassidy of refusing to debate with him. "You ducked me in Ottawa, so I had to come to Toronto to get ya'," he said. MISSED MEETING Cassidy couldn't make an all-candidates debate in his riding the other night, but he has taken part in three of them so far this week. Turmel, who calls himself a professional gambler ("have Game, Will Travel"), decided to dog the Cassidy tour all day. He was there sitting on the roof of his car cackling, "you're chicken, you're chicken," as Cassidy made his pitch to reporters for more daycare spaces outside a daycare centre on Bellevue Ave. He was there, waiting, when Cassidy arrived at the channel 47 studios to tape a TV interview, in Italian. Picture this scene: First, Turmel babbles away to reporters about Socred policy ("no-interest mortgages by computer") and then tells them he was recently arrested in Ottawa for "possession of a deck of cards." "Have you got a full deck, John?" shouts Robin Sears, the national secretary of the federal NDP, who joined the tour this week. In walks Carmela Laurignano of the NDP caucus office, who's there to translate the interview for the press. She softly advises Turmel to "shut up" when she's doing the talking. Then, after Cassidy gives an answer in Italian about rent controls, she informs reporters it was "pretty well the standard answer you've heard before." Oh thank you. The Turmel episode again raises the question of the so-called "nuisance" candidates, those people who run in elections only to get publicity. Ontario election law no longer requires candidates to put down deposits when they enter a campaign. In the past, a candidate forfeited the money if he didn't get at least 15 percent of the vote cast. HAD EQUAL TIME Turmel, who might be more comfortable as a comedian, got equal time with Cassidy and the Liberal and Tory candidates during all three debates in Ottawa this week. The question of how much attention should be paid to "fringe" candidates has never been properly answered and likely never will be. To their credit, Sears and other Cassidy aides (aside from the tough-talking Laurignano) treated Turmel courteously yesterday, although the temptation to drop him under the wheels of the bus must have been enormous.
Ottawa Citizen, Nora McCabe Turmel "shadow" haunts Cassidy Perennial political hopeful John Turmel has moved his Ottawa Centre election campaign to Toronto. The Social Credit candidate and a small entourage including a lady described as "Cindy" the blackjack dealer, spent Thursday shadowing NDP leader Michael Cassidy around the city, to the annoyance of Cassidy's staff. At one point, Turmel sat on his car roof yelling "chicken, chicken, chicken," at Cassidy who was touring a local daycare centre. Turmel says he's angry that Cassidy has not appeared at several all- candidates debates in his riding and does not plan to appear on a televised debate next Monday. "I told him I'm coming to get him," Turmel told reporters. "If he's not there, I'll beat him up." After observing this display in silence for a few minutes, a couple of pre-schoolers toddled over to Turmel's perch and observed "boy, are you ever dumb."
I don't know where she got the idea I'd say I was going to beat him up. It doesn't make any sense.
Globe & Mail, Rosemary Spiers
Knocking on doors is a lost cause for John Turmel, the Social Credit candidate in Michael Cassidy's riding. So he spent yesterday in Toronto tagging after the NDP leader, baiting him. Claiming to be an engineer who has designed a "no interest' system of mortgages for home financing, Mr. Turmel, and his brother Ray (who's a candidate in Ottawa South), first tried to crash a session on day-care problems. They lost a shoving match with Cassidy aide Robin Sears. Later, the Turmel brothers sat in their car outside another day=care centre, shouting that Mr. Cassidy was "chicken." They tried to get the children to chant along, but the kids had their number. "No, no, no," they shouted "You're stupid."
800330Sa London Free Press, John Hamilton Ontario Social Credit chief gambling on London West The interim leader of the Social Credit party in Ontario announced Friday he will run as an Independent candidate in the April 13 federal by-election in London West. Electrical engineer John Turmel, who describes himself as a professional gambler said: "I'm holding the winning hand" in the London West race. Turmel, 30, of Ottawa said he was "really optimistic" he could end a losing streak during which he has been defeated in attempts to win four federal, two provincial and one municipal seat in the last three years. Turmel believes party doctrine. He also believes a one-issue campaign of "no-interest mortgage by computer" can win him thee London West seat. He said he feels his frequent confrontations with Ottawa police in the past three years over his promotion of floating casinos in the city won't hurt his chances. "Gambling, like banking, is based on the laws of probabilities. If banks can offer 15 percent mortgages by computer, they can give you zero percent mortgage." Turmel also hopes to persuade governments and the public he has the answer to unemployment woes in Canada. "The answer is based on an algebraic solution that could end the economic war being fought over unemployment. The proposed solution will probably win me a Nobel prize in economics, science and peace."
810330 London Free Press
But John Turmel, a 30-year-old electrical engineer and professional gambler from Ottawa found out about the meeting and showed up. Turmel, interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit party, got a lot of attention for his economic theories. He said he can cue inflation and unemployment by eliminating interest from the money system.
810331Tu London Free Press
Lack of an invitation infuriated independent candidate John Turmel who arrived at the second-floor meeting hall about 11:35a.m. When organizers said he couldn't participate, Turmel demanded an explanation and the noon meeting was delayed about 15 minutes. He was finally allowed to speak, provided he adhered to rules of procedure. Turmel criticized meeting organizers saying it was the first time in seven years he'd attended a candidates' meeting where all participants weren't allowed to respond to audience questions.
London Free Press
Independent John Turmel said he has the solution for inflation and unemployment -- interest-free credit. He said people are being "conned" by the Bank of Canada. On the issue of capital punishment, Turmel's answer was to solve the money system problem. Turmel said "if I had the answer to all your problems, what difference does it make where a candidate lives?"
810422We Ottawa Citizen, Regina Hickl-Szabo Gambler unlucky with key witness Professional gambler John Turmel, charged with running a gambling house, told a Hull judge Tuesday the Governor of the Bank of Canada runs a gaming house too. Turmel, a fast talking gambler-politician who claims that Canada's banking system is ruining the country, was accused last May of operating a gambling house on a boat on the Ottawa River. Dice in hand, Turmel, who was defending himself, appeared before Judge Gerard Charron, ready to prove that his gambling casino is legal but that Gerald Bouey's Bank of Canada is not. The court case quickly snagged, however, when none of Turmel witnesses turned up. Turmel had called on Bouey to appear, but the Governor didn't show because his subpoena was missing a Quebec Superior judge's signature. A subpoena was also served to Jean Paul Laurin, Secretary of the Canadian Police Chiefs' Association, but Laurin wrote to the court saying he never had anything to do with Turmel and didn't see his relevance to the case. Judge Charron told Turmel he was free to recall both witnesses but any testimony Bouey would give would likely be considered irrelevant to charge. Turmel flabbergasted Charron when he compared the Bank of Canada's charge of interest on loans to a gambling house which charges gamblers a fee to buy chips. "It's an illegal rake off. The Bank of Canada is in direct violation of the criminal code" Turmel said. Charron told Turmel he would probably have better luck bringing down the Bank of Canada before the House of Commons. He said he has no authority to pass judgment on the Bank of Canada because it hasn't been charged with anything. "One thing is for sure -- this is an economic or political question, not a judicial one." Turmel will present his defence June 2. He says he will continue defending himself because he can't afford a lawyer.
Le Droit, Andre Archambault Turmel accused of having a gaming house John Turmel, professional gambler, politician, and self-styled Engineer of Social Credit, lost his try to subpoena the Governor of the Bank of Canada Gerald Bouey before the court. Turmel was undergoing his trial in Provincial Court under the accusation of holding a gaming house on a boat at Hull Pier on the 24 and 28 of May 1980. Mr. Turmel has admitted all the proof presented by the Crown Attorney, Guy Pinsonneault, to the effect that his company "JCT Casinos Inc." rented the boat at $1000 a month and they were playing for money and playing blackjack in particular. But he wasn't able to present his defence because two witnesses he had subpoenaed, Mr. Bouey and Mr. Jean Paul Laurin, didn't show up. Mr. Turmel, who was defending himself and who didn't forget to invite the journalists to his trial, wanted to demonstrate by Bouey's testimony Bouey was running the most important gaming house in the country and that the Bank Act was itself in violation of the Criminal Code by permitting a charge of interest on money. As to Laurin, he had been subpoenaed to recall that at a convention of police chiefs, they had been of the opinion that the law concerning gaming houses had been weakened. Judge Charron, who presided over the process had asked about the pertinence of these two witnesses. "This subject that you want to raise about the Bank Act, isn't it more political or economic? It's to the House of Commons you should go with your suggestions, said Judge Charron talking about the testimony the Governor of Bank Of Canada could have given in this case. As to the testimony of Mr. Laurin, judge Charron estimated that his role is to apply to law and there are no lessons in law that he is going to learn from the chiefs of police who, like everyone else, have their right to their opinion. It is not over yet because Turmel is going to make a motion in the Superior Court in Hull where they are going to debate the pertinence of Mr. Bouey and Mr. Laurin in his process which is adjourned until June 2. Let's remember that Turmel ran in electoral campaigns nine times since 1979, on the municipal scene for Mayor of Ottawa and Provincial and Federal and he's been beaten each time. His electoral program is always the same and consists of one promise: establishing in Canada a banking system of Social Credit without interest by computer and for a service charge fixed on the money borrowed. Professional gambler, he does not have the intention of stopping his activities and believes they are legal. In 1977 John Turmel was accused and found guilty of running a gaming house and fined $500. He had that decision overturned for the fine at the Supreme Court of Ontario. In 1979 while he was incorporated under JCT Casinos Inc. "We keep books and we pay our taxes," he outlined that he paid a $200 fine for running an illegal game. Finally, having been found guilty of a similar charge last February, he spent nine days in prison at Ottawa.
810525Mo Ottawa Citizen Letter, R. W. Lawson, Bank Of Canada I have read with fascination the thoughts of your columnists Christopher Young on interest rates and inflation. Common sense tells him, he says, that the way to reduce inflation, is to reduce interest rates. If Mr. Young trusts his common sense, why does he not launch a Christopher Young Crusade for Near-Zero Interest Rates? Is it possible that Mr. Young's common sense is telling him some other things -- that there would be a problem of finding the enormous amounts of money that people want to borrow at low interest rates and that in present circumstances, a campaign for low interest rates is really a campaign for the unlimited printing of money? Perhaps Mr. Young's common sense boggles at the idea the way to preserve the purchasing power of money is to create it without limit.
On May 28, I sent a letter to the Citizen which never got published: Citizen editor: It's sad to realize that Mr. Lawson is not gifted with a little of the common sense which tells Mr. Christopher Young that "the way to reduce inflation is to reduce interest rates." In his letter dated May 25, he miscontrues that statement to mean that "the way to preserve purchasing power of money is to create it without limit." Actually, it sounded more like Mr. Young had suggested that the way to preserve purchasing power is to create it without so much interest attached. I would point out that the equation shows that Mr. Young's common sense is scientifically correct and that the way to actually preserve the purchasing power of money is to create it without interest. A casino bank creates its money (chips) without an interest charge and exhibits no inflation, as predicted by the equation. Mr. Lawson's conclusion that "a campaign for low interest rates is really a campaign for the unlimited printing of money" is unfounded since a casino bank which issues chips (money) at zero interest has a natural limit placed on the creation of those chips by the natural amount of collateral backing up those chips. Since both Mr. Lawson's Bank of Canada and a casino bank use identical hardware (money and chips of different colors and denominations) inflation is therefore a software problem with the bank's computer program that can be fixed instantaneously with a program change. I can understand why Mr. Young has not started a Crusade for Near-Zero Interest Rates as suggested by Mr. Lawson since there already exists a VAST crusade for Zero Interest Rates on credit, called Social Credit. I think Mr. Young is smart enough not to settle for Mr. Lawson's HALF- VAST suggestion. Hoping to have settled the issue, I am, The Engineer
810612Fr Regina Leader Post
Regina Leader Post Front Page from June 12, 1981 had a picture of me in my box in front of the Bank of Canada in Ottawa with a caption: "High Noon" While the Bank of Canada rate dipped fractionally Thursday and Statistics Canada was saying consumer prices in May were 12.3% higher than a year earlier, John Turmel held a "high-noon" demonstration on Parliament Hill to protest interest rates (CP) Stores on Page A2.
810623 Ottawa Citizen, Don Butler Slash interest rates to shape new order, government urged "The Canadian government should begin immediately to reduce interest rates as a first step towards building a new world monetary order." Senator Maurice Lamontagne. At least he's a first stepper in the right direction. He's right that reducing interest, his first step means less restriction but instead of aiming at less restrictive, why not aim at free? Monetarism, the current tight money gospel of the Bank of Canada "is fundamentally as simplistic as Social Credit. True except that the gospel of monetarism is fundamentally simplistically wrong and the gospel of Social Credit is fundamentally simplistically right. Monetarism states that inflation is inversely related to interest. Social Credit states that inflation is directly related to interest. One gospel or the other is ass-backwards. Any engineer can see by the equation inflation is directly, not inversely, related to the interest rate. Though the Social Credit solution where i=0 is undoubtedly simple, engineers and scientists would consider this a strength, not a weakness. Monetarism and Social Credit are two sides of a coin. One is a winner, one a loser. Lamontagne criticized Bank of Canada Governor Gerald Bouey for "making the wrong diagnosis" of the causes of the country's inflation by ascribing inflation to an overheated economy. Lamontagne noted that "with no increase in money supply, we can still have inflation." He must therefore concur that inflation is not necessarily an increase in money chasing goods but a decrease in the goods being chased by the same money. "As the bank continues to apply the wrong remedy, it is danger of losing its credibility." The equation shows it has no real credibility though many are conned. Unfortunately, we live in a complex world where powerful factions of supplies of goods and services are fighting against each other to get a larger slice of a shrinking pie."
I decided to write a letter to the editor on July 18 which never got printed. It included the A and B shifts [graph] Ottawa Citizen editor: In Don Butler's article, Senator Lamontagne states that Monetarism, the tight credit gospel of the Bank of Canada is "fundamentally as simplistic as Social Credit." Tight credit, Monetarism, is credit for which the debt grows beyond the capacity to repay. Social Credit is credit for which the debt remains stable because the interest charge has been replaced by a simple service charge. A casino banking system or a coat-check system expanded to accept all collateral are Social Credit models because they charge no interest for the use of the liquidity and suffer no inflation. Since they use identical hardware as the Canadian banking system, chips, checks or money of different colors or denominations, scientists must conclude that inflation is a software problem that can be corrected by a program change at the computer of the central bank. Though it is true that tight credit and social credit are like two sides of the same coin, one is the winner and the other is the loser. In the case where 10 dollars buys 10 potatoes today, a) tight credit believes that tomorrow's inflation is the shift A in the purchasing power, shown in the diagram, caused by an increase in the money chasing the potatoes. It believes that inflation is the inverse function of the interest rate and raising the rate to tighten credit will result in less inflation. b) Social Credit believes that tomorrow's inflation is the shift B caused by a decrease in the potatoes being chased by the dollars. It occurs when producers must raise their prices to recuperate both the principle and the interest and fail to repay both because the interest was never put into circulation. That ratio of producers have their potatoes confiscated resulting in Shift B. Shift B has been measured with the theory of games to be i/1+i where "i" is the interest rate. As Social Credit believes, both equations show that inflation is the direct function of the interest rate and reducing the interest rate will reduce inflation. Senator Lamontagne is therefore correct when he notes that "even with no increase in the money supply (shift A), there can still be inflation (shift B). Gerald Bouey is making the wrong diagnosis of the causes of the country's inflation. As the bank continues to apply the wrong remedy, it is in serious danger of completely losing its credibility." The equation shows that we must accept that Monetarism has no credibility before Mr. Bouey's wrong remedy also kills the patient, our industrial capacity. I would ask that since the Senator urges an immediate reduction of the interest rate as a first step in the right direction of a less restrictive credit, why not go all the way in the right direction of a totally free, non-restrictive social (i=0) credit? I am, The Engineer
810710Fr Toronto Sun, Peter Young Gambler takes a shot at spadina Picture of me at my upside down blackboard captioned "John Turmel, independent candidate in the Spadina by-election explains how he'll run the banking system along the lines of a casino." John Turmel, a self-styled professional gambler can't seem to beat the system when it comes to politics. The Ottawa man cheerfully admits' he's lost nine election since 1979 in various parts of the country. Turmel became the first Independent to jump into the Spadina federal by-election race against back-room baron Jim Coutts -- which makes him a good bet to run his losing streak to 10. Turmel's campaign strategy consists of promising to beat inflation by re-arranging the banking system along the lines of a gambling casino. "That'll solve the interest rate problem, he claims. "After all, when was the last time you heard of casinos charging interest on their chips? It will also end inflation. If a casino's chips inflate, the casino banker gets beat up," he points out. Turmel, who is facing 2 gambling charges in Ottawa, shrugs off suggestions that voters may resist his logic "I can't help it if people are too ignorant to vote for a man of science," he told a Toronto press conference yesterday. "History will prove they're the jerks, not me. You've got to admit 99% of the people are pretty stupid."
Ottawa Citizen Letter, Peter Bishop Kill the patient Gerald Bouey, governor of the Bank of Canada, is like a doctor who, acting on the theory that a patient's persistent headaches are being caused by an excess of flow of blood to the head decided that the most effective treatment is to apply a tourniquet around the patient's neck and to keep tightening until the headaches go away. The question is, which will go first, the headaches or the patient himself?
810727Mo Ottawa Citizen On the Hill Helmut Schmidt, Francois Mitterand and Pierre Trudeau weren't the only people lobbying for lower interest rates during the summit. John Turmel was there too. Mind you, Turmel, erstwhile Ottawa mayoralty candidate and interim leader of the Social Credit Party of Ontario, didn't get the chance to make his pitch directly to U.S. president Ronald Reagan. So he did the next best thing. Wearing his trademark white hard hat and a broad smile, Turmel crashed the white house press centre temporarily established in the Skyline Hotel and distributed literature. Despite his earnest manner, Turmel missionary work won few converts among the American correspondents. ABC news anchorman, attracted by Turmel's noisy sales pitch, turned and regarded this apparition in a hard hat with distaste "Who's that?" he demanded. Informed of Turmel's identity, he asked: "How did he get in here?" We can only hope Pierre and the boys were more persuasive with Ronnie.
810731 Toronto Star, Jim Lewis Socreds at odds in hopes for Spadina outcome There won't be a Socred running against Liberal Jim Coutts in the Spadina by-election, says national party president Carl O'Malley. But there will be a Socred in there as one of the seven nominated candidates trying to topple Trudeau's personal choice. Social Credit provincial president John Turmel says he'll be running as an independent. "When I catch Coutts in public, I'll make him rue the day he met O'Malley." O'Malley says Coutts is a friend of his. Canadian Press reported yesterday that he personally favors the election of Coutts. "He is a personal friend. I have known him for 10 years and he would make a fine external affairs minister." He said the party had lined a candidate of Italian descent for the largely ethnic riding but decided against entering the race because "it would have split the vote." O'Malley is the Socred candidate in the other by-election in Joliette. Turmel said the Socreds are not running candidates because "O'Malley ran up big debts in the last federal election. "I'm used to running without their permission," says Turmel, a systems engineer who says he has a formula that proves the Socred belief that with no interest, there is no inflation. O'Malley was not available to reply.
810804 La Presse, Florian Bertrand ? Picture of Ray in front of the Bank of Canada Ray Turmel is the brother of John Turmel, creditiste candidate in Spadina. The two brothers have announced at a press conference that they are disassociating themselves from the official creditistes because they supported the Liberals and helped defeat Joe Clark. They deliberately held a creditiste casino to try to drag into the court the Bank of Canada. O'Malley says the Socreds couldn't deal in the back-rooms with Clark and Jim had helped Carl when he was being sued years ago. They were looking for back-room power while I was looking for front-room power, the scientific inquiry into the banking system. Ray started some political terrorism in Carl O'Malley's campaign headquarters in the Auberge du Gouverneur in Joliette. Carl has even suggested that Ray is a Tory agent if he was a Liberal agent. It seems Mom and Ray worked on 2 reporters right at the Auberge.
Le Droit Carl O'Malley is the official Socred candidate. Ray Turmel is the Independent but calls himself the real Socred. O'Malley surprised everyone by wishing Jim Coutts good luck in the Spadina election. This provoked the candidacy of Mr. Turmel who didn't appreciate this affirmation. Mr. Turmel declared that his brother John is running as creditiste in Spadina.
810805 Joliette Journal, Louis Pelletier Carl O'Malley says that this is a more important and costly campaign than his predecessor's. The survival of the party is at stake. He says that it is by decision of the national executive that the Social Credit not present a candidate in Ontario. An Ottawa resident has surged forward as a Socred Independent which is a real ripple in O'Malley's pond. At the last moment, a Socred Independent Ray Turmel jumped into Joliette to be a nuisance to O'Malley. "He's not even a registered Socred. He won't even campaign in the riding," said O'Malley, truly depressed that that candidacy was accepted. After being suspected of being a Liberal agent, he's asking himself if this Ontarian is a gift from the Tories.
810806 GLOBAL, Claude Adams "Candidate John Turmel, a professional gambler from Ottawa who has visited Spadina but once, his campaign slogan is a mysterious algebraic equation for beating inflation. Turmel feels he should win the Nobel Prize but like the other fringe candidates in this election, he'll probably be happy with a few dozen votes."
810810 Globe & Mail, Tom Walcom Social Credit Picture of C.H. Douglas Every afternoon, as the Bank of Canada is pondering how much to push up interest rates, the latest brother combination of Canadian politics pickets the bank's palatial headquarters across from Parliament Hill. John Turmel, the interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit Party says that if he were allowed 5 minutes alone with with the central bank's computer, he could wipe out inflation. And in the tradition of Socred founder Major C.H. Douglas, he has devised a system of equations that he ways show that interest rates cause inflation. He is bringing the word -- P = 1/(1+i) and U=i/(1+i) -- to the voters of Toronto's Spadina by-election as an independent candidate while at the same time passing out his literature on the Sparks St. Mall. Meanwhile, his brother Ray, an Ottawa taxi dispatcher, is running as an Independent Social Credit candidate against Socred president Carl O'Malley in Quebec's Joliette by-election. The brothers say they are challenging the Socred establishment because it is soft on interest rates. John, who describes himself as a professional gambler and control systems engineer, says the government should establish a commission of control systems engineers to investigate the banks. "Everyone else has had a chance to run the economy. Why not control systems engineer?" The equation finally made it into a newspaper! Unfortunately, there was no explanation of how to use it and what the variables are.
810811 Toronto Star, Rick Brennan FIGHT ENDS SPADINA ALL-CANDIDATES' MEETING A fight on stage put a sudden end to the first Spadina all-candidates' meeting last night at the University of Toronto convocation hall. A push'em, knock'em down style brawl broke out shortly after 9p.m. between 58 U. of T. history professor Bill Nelson, chairing the meeting, and fringe candidate John Turmel, 30, of Ottawa. The crowd of about 500 looked on amazed as the two mixed it up both physically and verbally. It all started when Turmel, who says he's a professional gambler, grabbed the microphone from the lanky professor and demanded the chance to speak to a question on university funding posed to only the Liberal, New Democrat and Conservative candidates. KNOCKED TO FLOOR Nelson then grabbed Turmel, who was wearing a construction hard hat and threw him off the stage with Turmel nearly falling to the floor. Turmel pushed his way back on stage knocking the professor to the floor. Just before the scuffle, questions from the floor were about to begin. University officials, seeing they were losing control of the meeting, quickly announced that the "meeting is adjourned." Nelson told reporters later that "I didn't resort to physical means... I was simply trying to recover the microphone," and that he pushed Turmel only "after he pushed me." "He wasn't asked to respond to the question... he had no business grabbing the mike," said the professor who was visibly shaken. Turmel, who had been arguing his rights throughout the circus-like meeting said he is contemplating laying charges against Nelson. DEMANDS EQUAL TIME "The point is, I wasn't about to leave until I got a chance to speak," Turmel told reporters. "The Federal Court of Appeal says I have the right to equal time. The law says there is no such thing as a major candidate." Turmel earlier in the meeting boasted that the by-election in Spadina is his 10th election in 2 years. He has run for everything from mayor to M.P. calling himself a Social Credit Independent candidate. The meeting got off to a bad start with the university unprepared for the fringe candidates -- four of whom showed up -- and the capacity crowd. The meeting had to move from a small steamy debates room the Hart House to Convocation Hall. From the start, a circus-like atmosphere with Turmel and his white hard had yelling he had a secret equation to end inflation and how the economy should be run like a gambling casino. He also carried a sign `Vote John the Engineer Turmel for M.P., M.P.P. or Mayor.' Originally, the meeting was organized by the university faculty for just the three main candidates. University officials including president James Ham and Nelson tried to ignore the fringe candidates. Led by Turmel, they protested saying "What we have got here is not going to be democratic." Turmel demanded he be allowed to sit with the three main candidates but was pushed aside by an unidentified university official. In the end, they got their way and they drew lots to see who would speak first. STUDENTS SCREAM While the bickering went on, tempers flared in the crowd as more and more people pressed in. After the three main candidates responded to a question by a spokesman for U. of T. student administrative council that Turmel demanded his say.
Toronto Star, Slinger Spadina slugfest had it all The all-candidates' meeting for the Spadina by-election was a schemozzle. But it was a spectacular schemozzle. It was the root'-est, tootin'-est, rip-roarin'-est, rudest and most rambunctious election meeting held in these parts in ages. It was the meeting against which all other all candidates meetings will have to be measured. It was noisy, hot, edgy and half the time it was drowned out by hecklers; it was vulgar, angry, funny and obscene; and it ended in a brawl. What could be finer than that? I have always maintained that politics in the best spectator sport in the country. If the meeting had been a hockey game, there would be editorials today demanding that something be done about the violence. NOT LIKE SHEEP It was grand for a couple of other reasons. If the by-election is nothing more than the elevation of Jim Coutts, then the dignity of the voters demands that it proceed with as little dignity as possible. The sight of a professor of history ("In this corner ..") who was moderator of the meeting grappling with a proponent of one of history's greatest exercises in hokum, the independent social credit candidate, and of them flinging one another bodily, literally bodily, off the platform and otherwise carrying on like Haystack Calhoun and Killer Kowalski, was a sight that will forever represent to me a brilliant paradigm of the free interplay of ideas. The synthesis of intellectual solemnity and hysterical mumbo-jumbo produces first-rate buffoonery. Should Coutts ever become overly pretentious, let him never forget that his election was one of the great burlesques of the political process.
Globe & Mail, Paul Palango TUSSLE ENDS SPADINA CANDIDATES' MEETING The first all candidates' meeting in the Spadina by-election ended abruptly last night when the meeting's moderator got into a wrestling match with one of the candidates. William Nelson, a U. of T. history professor, adjourned the meeting after he was thrown over the shoulder of Independent candidate John Turmel and off the stage at U. of T.'s Convocation Hall. The incident occurred shortly after Mr. Nelson refused to allow Rhinoceros party candidate John Douglas to answer the first question from the audience of 450. He ruled that only those who were asked a question could answer it. The first question was directed to and answered by the major candidates. Each was given one minute to answer. Mr. Turmel took issue with Mr. Nelson's ruling and seized the microphone. As he tried to answer, he was booed. When a second question was addressed to Mr. Coutts, Mr. Turmel, with a white hard hat with the words The Engineer (on its front) for M.P. (on its back) tried to address the audience. Mr. Nelson moved forward and appeared to speak to Mr. Turmel who turned away from him. Mr. Nelson grabbed for the microphone and got turned around so that he had Mr. Turmel from behind. They scuffled for a few seconds and then Mr. Turmel bent over and threw Mr. Nelson over his shoulder onto the steps leading up to the stage. "I didn't resort to physical means, I was just trying to recover the microphone," Mr. Nelson told reporters afterward. "He pushed me first." He said he thought only the three main contenders were going to show up. "I didn't arrange for the other candidates to have equal time." Mr. Turmel, who in his opening address said the Bank of Canada should be run like a gambling casino, told reporters he would not press charges although a few people were urging him to do so. "All I wanted was the right to speak and he pushed me. I stood there and he interrupted my intention to speak. All he had to do was allow each one of us one minute to rebut each question."
Toronto Sun, Dick Chapman John Turmel, an engineer, got the most laughs. Turmel warned about nuclear mosquitoes and called for a "zero interest banking system."
Ottawa Citizen, CP Turmel in real election fight The fight for the seat in the Spadina riding was taken too literally by at least one candidate. The first all candidates' meeting came to an abrupt end when moderator John Nelson got into a wrestling match with John Turmel of Ottawa. Nelson adjourned the meeting after he was thrown over Turmel's shoulder and off the stage. The incident occurred after Nelson ruled only candidates to whom a question was directed could answer. After a question to the three main candidates, Turmel took issue with Nelson's ruling and grabbed the microphone. As Turmel tried to answer, he was booed by the audience of 450. When Turmel tried to answer the second question directed to Coutts, Nelson moved forward and tried to grab the microphone but ended up holding Turmel from behind. The two scuffled for a few seconds, then Turmel bent over and flipped Nelson over his shoulder on to the steps of the stage. Neither side is pressing the issue.
810812We Toronto Star, Bruce Ward Punchlines take place of punch-up Picture of me demanding my 1 minute from John Bossons captioned "Making a point: Wearing his hard-hat trademark, independent candidate John Turmel emphasizes a point in heated discussion with John Bossons, chairman of last night's all-candidates' meeting. There were plenty of belly laughs but no punch-ups at the Spadina all- candidates' meeting last night, and everybody had fun except the politicians. Two police officers stood guard near the entrance of the Bloor St. United Church Hall to prevent a recurrence of the push-and- shove match that marred the first all-candidates' meeting Monday. RULES IGNORED The politicians' performance last night was great theater -- a sort of Punch-and-Judy version of participatory democracy. The candidates jeered each other and hecklers jeered candidates. The meeting was chaired by John Bossons, vice-chairman of the Annex Ratepayers Association. He began by setting out several "ground rules" that everybody ignored. The electronic media's "feeds" drained so much power from the public address system the candidates had to shout to be heard. Hecklers shouted back. ON THE FRINGE But it was the fringe candidates who copped most of the laughs and the groans. John Turmel, who bills himself as a professional gambler and engineer, fanned out 10 $100 bills and dared Coutts to bet $1 that Turmel's "secret equation" cold not cure inflation. Coutts declined the bet. Turmel started the trouble at Monday's meeting when he wrestled the microphone from chairman Bill Nelson. Turmel and Nelson scuffled and both ended on the floor. That incident resulted in Turmel saying he will lay charges against Nelson who he says forced him from the stage when Turmel tried to speak without permission.
Toronto Sun, Dick Chapman In a lighter moment, Coutts also accepted a 100-to-1 bet against independent candidate John Turmel, on finding a flaw in Turmel's "zero-interest" banking proposal.
810903 Winnipeg Sun Front Page Picking on wrong pickets The Winnipeg Sun had a front page story about our demonstration and this old guy attacking us. It had picture of the guy pushing Ray and me holding on to his arm and a second picture of the guy down on the ground and the title said "Picking on wrong pickets." The sub-title said "Dis;-`credit'-ed". This passer-by appeared to take offence at the protest of Social Credit Party interim leader John Turmel (in the hat) and his brother Ray (far left above). The man attacked both sign-bearing pickets -- who were in front of the Bank Of Canada protesting the high interest rate -- but was quickly tossed to the ground by the younger men.
810909 Calgary Sun, Kate Dunn Down with usury Calgary drivers horned in on a protest against high interest rates yesterday. As 6 adults and 4 children waved placards condemning Bank of Canada governor's interest rate policy, drivers of cars and trucks passing them in front of the bank's Calgary office tooted their horns in support of the protest. "Down with 21% usury" and "Bouey is a crook" were messages on some of the signs. "If this protest can save one person from making a mistake in dealing with a bank, it's worth it," said Anne Drabick. Her husband Ted is now in jail for taking hostages when two bailiffs tried to repossess his home. John Turmel and two members of his family travelled from Ottawa to stage the protest and promote Turmel's ideas on bank lending policies. They hold a similar protest each Thursday in front of the bank's Ottawa headquarters when the prime lending rate is announced. Labeling himself a "banking systems engineer", Turmel said banks should be paid a set service charge rather than interest rates for lending money.
Calgary Herald, Lindsay Taylor Interest pickets attract honking A half dozen protesters demanding a cut in high interest rates drew horn honking as the paraded in front of the downtown Bank of Canada offices. Signs reading "Honk if you hate high interest rates" and "Jail bankers, not Drabick" were held by protesters including the wife and family of convicted hostage-taker Ted Drabick. The protesters were led by John Turmel as part of his continuing nation-wide fight against "usury" and interest rates. Turmel says he offers a standing $1000:1 bet his complicated mathematical showing the cause of inflation and unemployment is correct "but the politicians are afraid of me. Every time they see me coming, they run." Turmel has run for office 10 times on his "sort of social credit" platform and is currently fighting his expulsion from the federal wing of the Social Credit Party. However, one of his most adamant supporters is Anne Drabick who joined him on the protest line. While the protesters attracted a lot of support from motorists, they were less than successful with passing pedestrians. Most, when confronted by the fast-talking Turmel, shook their heads in bemused confusion and quickly scurried away. He will lecture on the Engineering Solution to Inflation and Unemployment Tuesday Sept. 15 in room 201 of the Engineering Building of the University of Calgary.
810911 Vancouver Sun Front page picture, Vancouver Sun had a 7"x9" picture captioned "High interest protest on streets outside Bank of Canada at 900 West Hastings reverberated through financial district Thursday as motorists heeded John Turmel's signs. Turmel, right in white hard-hat, is a leadership candidate for national Social Credit party. The signs had Ray with "Honk if interest is criminal, S. 179.1.b.iii" and me holding my "interest=0" sign.
810916 Calgary Sun Drabick's wife joins crusade & Stiff the bank Picture of Anne, Mom, Michel Brisson et al picketing with a caption "Ann Drabick (foreground) marches outside the Bank of Canada building yesterday." The wife of hostage-taker Ted Drabick joined an Ottawa gambler in downtown Calgary yesterday to strike a blow against high interest rates. Ann Drabick and John Turmel marched outside the Bank and urged passers-by to "stiff the bank" by refusing to pay interest charges. Turmel is a well-known Ottawa figure calling for the abolition of interest. He says Canada should be run on a barter system. Turmel says interest amounts to illegal loan-sharking and says he'll use that argument to take the Bank of Canada to court over interest rates which are now running at more than 21%. Drabick says "interest rates just aren't right and we're urging people to pressure the politicians for legislation outlawing interest rates." Turmel and Drabick say they'll picket downtown banks for at least the rest of the week. "I might make a full-time career out of picketing," Drabick says.
810919Sa Winnipeg Free Press, Greg Shilliday Bouey runs big game Front page blurb `NEW COIN TOSS' A gambler has the answer to Canada's economic woes -- he wants to take the governor of the Bank of Canada to court of operating a gaming house. Page 3 Picture of Ray with "Stiff the Bank" captioned "John Turmel's brother Raymond gets supportive honk from passing truck in lonely protest." John Turmel, professional gambler and inveterate politician figures he has the answers to Canada's economic woes -- take the Bank of Canada to court. In response to his latest gambling conviction, the interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit party has filed an appeal in the Federal Court of Canada charging Gerald Bouey, governor of the bank, with operating a gaming house: "I'm trying to get him charged with the same thing that they charged me with." Turmel said yesterday outside the Portage and Main branch of the Bank of Canada. "Bouey runs a lot bigger game than I ever did and he's doing it with our money." Turmel, along with his mother and brother, was picketing the bank yesterday afternoon as part of his lonely economic guerrilla war against the Canadian banking system. Judging from the number of motorists honking in response to his placards "Honk if interest is criminal", Winnipeggers are ready to listen to any kind of solution to high interest rates. Turmel has run in 10 Ontario elections in the last two years; federal, provincial and municipal. He has lost them all, but he says he's not discouraged. As a gambler, he figures the odds will come around eventually. "Stiff the bank." Several motorists honked their horns in support. "I took a gambling course when I was in engineering at Carleton University in Ottawa. I know all about it. People are beginning to listen." Turmel, who has already served a short jail sentence for gambling, said he finances his political career through gambling. He won't say how much he earns each year, but he does allow that he doesn't have to work much. BIGGEST WIN "I do remember taking $19,000 off this millionaire once. I guess that was my biggest win." Turmel said he was taking his message across western Canada in an attempt to gain the nomination as leader of the federal Social Credit party. He said response, especially in Alberta, has been very encouraging. "The people of Canada are tired of being cheated. They want economic policies that make sense." Turmel "sensible" policy essentially is this: replace the chartered banking system with a barter system where interest rates abolished. Utilizing computer systems, Turmel says "Electronic exchanges" will make paper exchange and the resulting interest rates unnecessary. "My social credit computer provides the very best kind of labour exchange through a work based barter system. It provides interest-free liquidity for goods and services and real estate offered for trade through electronic and paper mediums of exchange where one credit is worth one dollar. "When we do our banking right in the stores from point-of-sale terminals, the chartered banks, with only terminals and no products, will be made redundant. Turmel says a first step to undermining the banks' "strangle-hold on the economy", he was encouraging Canadians to "stiff their banks" or refuse to pay loans. "My brother stiffed his bank on a $4000 loan. Sure a contract was signed. But if something is physically impossible like paying 20% interest rates, then a contract can't be binding." Turmel, enfant terrible of our current economic mess, grinned wickedly as another passing motorist leaned long and hard on his horn. As we're all beginning to find out in this country, you just can't pay something that isn't there.
Ottawa Citizen, CP Popular message Winnipeg -- John Turmel, interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit Party and a convicted professional gambler, says he wants to take the Bank of Canada to court. Turmel says he has filed an appeal at the Federal Court of Canada charging Gerald Bouey, governor of the Bank of Canada, with operating a gaming house: "I'm trying to get him charged with the same thing they charged me with." Turmel was picketing the Bank of Canada's Winnipeg bank with his mother and brother with signs saying "Stiff the bank." Several motorists honed their horns in support.
810922Tu Canadian Press Incident TORONTO -- John Turmel, an unsuccessful independent candidate in the Aug. 17 Spadina federal by-election, is worried that his involvement in a fight at an all-candidates meeting last month may ruin his chances to become the leader of the national Progressive party. Turmel, who says he now is running for the leadership of the party, said Tuesday he has been mistakenly as the one who started the fight. He doesn't want it know he beats people up, he said. "I can beat them up intellectually." Turmel said that moderator William Nelson pushed him off the stage a one point during the meeting. Turmel said he got back up on stage and when Nelson pushed from behind, he extended his leg so that Nelson's own force caused him to fall off the stage. Nelson, a University of Toronto history professor, said Tuesday that the incident began when Turmel grabbed a microphone. "So far as pushing first, I think he (Turmel) is right," Nelson said. "But I think it could be argued that grabbing the microphone was at fault under the law." Nelson added that "both of use may be wrong" saying that he has heard varying accounts of the incident from people at the meeting.
810923We Toronto Star Turmel seeks PC leadership after his Spadina defeat Picture & caption: John Turmel: His new goal is leadership of Canada's Progressive Conservatives There's a lot of push-and-shove during election campaigns. Just ask John Turmel. You remember, he ran against Jim Coutts and Dan Heap in the Spadina federal election Aug. 17 ultimately won by Dan Heap. Turmel was the fellow with the construction hat that somehow landed on (or under, no one's quite sure) the moderator during an all- candidates' meeting. He doesn't want it thought he beats up people, he said. "I can beat them up intellectually." His goal now is the national leadership of the Progressive Conservative party from which he'd like to give Joe Clark the quick heave.
810929Tu Ottawa Citizen Economic Intervention C.P. photo of Ray tailing Chretien with the `Bouey, King of White Collar Crime' sign. Justice Minister Jean Chretien talks to reporters Monday after the Supreme Court ruled on the constitution, but a protester's sign indicates he would prefer to talk about the economy. It's a barb against the Bank of Canada's policy of setting high interest rates to protect the dollar.`
811005Mo Globe & Mail, Brian Laghi 11 Faithful show up to pick new leader of Ontario Socreds Eleven party members showed up for an Ontario Social Credit party convention on the weekend and elected a new leader, but the party's former head has charged his fellow members with calling a crooked meeting. "It was crooked meeting ... They called it and invited all of their own people so I wouldn't get re-elected," said former leader John Turmel. The eleven members who represent about 100 party members throughout the province, elected former Toronto mayoral candidate Anne McBride as their new leader in a vote of 7 to 1. The ballots of Mr. Turmel, his brother Ray and his mother were spoiled. The three scrawled "unconstitutional" across them. "They're supposed to give 4 months notice before they can call a leadership convention. That's the law of the land and that's why I think it's unconstitutional," Mr. Turmel said. However, Bruce Arnold, party vice-president said "The week-end vote was called only to elect an interim leader until the party can organize the convention next April. Mr. Arnold was the only other candidate to run for the leadership, gaining 1 vote. Mr. Turmel calls himself a professional gambler and banking systems engineer and has run in 10 elections in the past 2 years losing them all. He ran in Spadina and got into the news with the scuffle. Mr. Turmel said that if he had been elected leader, he would have lobbied Ottawa and the Bank of Canada to remove interest rates. Last September, Mr. Turmel took the Bank of Canada to court, charging that its governor, Gerald Bouey, was keeping a common gaming house. Mr. Turmel said he has been challenging the Socred establishment because it is soft on interest rates. But, Mrs. McBride said the reason for Mr. Turmel's ouster was that party members were upset with his economic policies. "We wish to turn the Ontario Social Credit into a party based on Christian principles." In last year's provincial election, the Socreds ran 3 candidates who, combined, received about 3,000 votes. So far, Mr. Turmel is the only party member to announce his candidacy for next spring's leadership convention. Those 3,000 votes were for our boys in Ottawa. I didn't see any of those who resented my leadership putting a team on the ice. The guys on the sidelines are now in charge. As if the party was not based on Christian principles
811006Tu London Free Press, John Hamilton Candidate still hasn't filed return Unrepentant gambler John Turmel is hoping to avoid a losing streak after he missed an extended deadline Monday for filing an expenses report for the April 12 federal by-election in London West. Turmel, 30, faces a fine of up to $1,000 or a year's imprisonment or both if prosecuted and convicted under the Canada Elections Act. Turmel, who placed last out of 6 candidates won by Jack Burghart, is the only candidate not to have filed a report of election expenses. The returning officer says Turmel likely faces prosecution after failing to meet the deadline which had been extended. But, Turmel, interim leader of the Social Credit party of Ontario and who describes himself as a professional gambler, said from Ottawa he is confident his luck has not run out. He said his release Friday from a regional detention center in Ottawa pending an appeal of a conviction on a gambling charge is a sign that the cards are falling my way. Convicted in provincial court last Tuesday of operating a gaming house, Turmel opted for 21 days in jail and a $500 fine rather than a 3 year probation and promise not to be involved in illegal gambling offered him by the judge. "I'm not going to stop gambling when there's mental arithmetic involved. The gambling I know and like is a science, not a game of chance." What about his expense report due Monday? "I really blew that one but I just got out on Friday and had been delayed, so I will have to go and apply for another extension. I will ask for it to be retroactive. I think you can do that." Turmel said his return still lacks one statement from his bank and he believes he can file a return in London within 2 weeks -- "that's if I'm still free." He faces another charge on Oct. 13 in Hull provincial court of operating a gaming house. But, Turmel, who admits to at least 4 illegal gambling convictions and numerous confrontations with Ottawa police (?) he promotes casinos in the city, said "It's no in the cards for me to go to jail again."
811010Sa London Free Press, John Hamilton Socred given further time The interim leader of the Social Credit party of Ontario has been allowed two more weeks to fine an expenses report. He was given the extended deadline when he appeared before Judge Gordon Killeen in London on Friday. Turmel faced a fine of up to $1000 or a year's imprisonment or both if prosecuted and convicted when he missed the first extended deadline.
811019Mo St. Catherines Standard, Ed McKenzie Socred protester ejected Three tables of dinner guests sat quietly and patiently Saturday night -- all except one man -- awaiting the start of what was to them an occasion of considerable dignity and importance. Martin Hattersley had come to St. Catherines. The Hattersley name might not be on everybody's lips but Social Credit party members know the Edmonton lawyer and former British army officer as their interim leader. Judging from the enthusiastic reception he got from about 75 supporters, Mr. Hattersley is a popular leader. But that didn't seem to make any difference to the dissenter who marched with a picket sign outside the Fairview Mall banquet hall. The sign said "Hail to the Cheat." The protester was John Turmel of Ottawa. He told the Standard he was upset because Mr. Hattersley was an unelected interim leader since there was no 1981 Socred convention to pass on his stewardship. Mr. Turmel was brushed off by most of those attending but he took his protest inside the hall, having purchased a $10 ticket in advance. He sat at one of the tables, where he promptly began to make his opinions known in a loud voice, much to the displeasure of the event's organizers. They asked him to leave several times but Mr. Turmel refused. "Call the cops. Go ahead and call them" and eventually that's what was done. A burly Niagara regional police sergeant and a more slender but still sizable constable escorted the man from the hall. A few minutes later, the sergeant came back to pick up Mr. Turmel's white hard-hat which proclaimed him to be "The Engineer." A pamphlet he was passing out claimed he is "the only electrical engineer in Canada specialized in gambling and banking systems." With a dignity which befits the interim leader of a national political party, Mr. Hattersley ignored "The Engineer." The leader did reveal later in his speech that there has indeed not been a 1981 convention but this was a matter of economics, not a bid to give short shrift to the democratic process. "The party didn't have the spare $5000 cash to pay for the expenses of a convention," the interim leader said. Asked if he thought the actions of Mr. Turmel might hurt the struggling party perhaps giving people the impression that it's made up of people that should not be trusted with office, Mr. Hattersley admitted there was some danger of that happening. But he felt Canada's current economic problems are so great that far from shunning the Socreds, the voters might finally start paying serious attention to what they have to say. Social Credit calls for a major change in the way this nation's monetary business is handled, he explained. Mr. Hattersley told his audience that if things carry on as they are now going, there is a very real danger that we will see violent social protest, perhaps as early as this Christmas. Recalling with regret that the voters at the last federal election chose not to elect a single Social Credit M.P., Mr. Hattersley quoted one of the party's champions, William Aberhart (known as Bible Bill Aberhart when he was premier of Alberta from 1935 to 1943) who said that in not electing the Socreds federally in his day, "the people of Canada have the right to choose to suffer a little longer." Everyone can see that suffering now, the speaker maintained. Thanks to the way in which the parties which do have seats in the House of Commons have mishandled the economy. If Social Credit were elected, he stated, our present "debt system" would be ended so people wouldn't have to worry about high mortgage rates, inflation and other economic problems. Social Credit would stop banks from making fat profits in the form of interest. It would bring an end to the system under which people dig themselves out of debt by using credit cards. It would arrange things so that people would own their homes and their cars outright, not make crushing monthly payments. Mr. Hattersley concluded that while times might be bad for many Canadians today, they're potentially good for Social Credit because people will be receptive to its ideas at last. Now that the party is on the brink of a potential breakthrough with the voters, it's essential that the public see Social Crediters as "reliable, honest people." The audience soundly applauded that wind-up, and by that point, most seemed to have forgotten about John Turmel.
811026Mo My letter to the editor: Toronto Star Editor: In your Sept. 23 article, it stated "his new goal is the leadership of Canada's Progressive Conservatives from which he'd like to give Joe Clark the quick heave." This is incorrect. I was in fact the interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit party seeking the leadership of the federal party. Notice that social credit is comprised of an adjective and a noun putting it a full intellectual plane above the Liberal, Progressive Conservative and New Democratic parties whose names are comprised of only adjectives which are abstract and undefined. As an electrical engineer from one of the world's most advanced technological countries, Canada, I consider it a defamation of my intellect to suggest that I would seek the leadership of a party whose name has no meaning. Another reason that the article was so unfortunate was that I was attacked by both Anne McBride (new interim leader) and Bruce Arnold for being a closet Tory. They were the two candidates for the interim leader position after I had been ousted. I cannot say that your article was the sole reason, though. The meeting had been fixed, with some members not having been invited, including five of the six candidates who presented themselves at the last provincial election. The party is not back in the hands of the back room gang. I wasn't allowed to speak to the charge and so you can see that a correction would go a long way towards dispelling the notion that I would slip to a lower intellectual level. The news may have also upset Mr. Clark. You may assure him that I am not after his job. If I'm elected interim leader of the Social Credit Party of Canada, I'll raid every other party just as Joe Clark raided the Social Credit party. Surely there are some MPs ready to bet on the scientific solution when they're backed against the wall. I am, The Social Credit Engineer
Toronto Star, CP Tories not my party: candidate John Turmel, an unsuccessful independent candidate in the Spadina by- election has denied saying he would seek the leadership of the national Progressive Conservative party. Turmel, an Ottawa resident, said that he told a Canadian Press reporter last month he was running for the leadership of the Social Credit party. Barbara Wickens, the CP reporter, said her notes show that Turmel referred to the leadership of the Progressive Conservative party.
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