Ottawa Citizen, Tony Cote
Gambler to ask court to subpoena mayors, police chiefs
Ottawa gambler John Turmel is heading to the Supreme Court of Ontario, 
in an attempt to subpoena mayors and police chiefs of area 
municipalities to testify at his trial on a number of gambling 
charges. Provincial Court Judge Robert Hutton adjourned the stormy 
first day of the trial so Turmel may appeal an earlier decision by 
Justice of the Peace Lynn Coulter refusing him permission to subpoena 
his witnesses. Turmel had asked to have subpoenas issued to about 20 
people including the mayor's of Nepean, Ottawa and Hull and their 
respective police chiefs. Turmel explained he wanted to call the 
police chiefs and mayors to show that he was allowed to operate his 
gambling games everywhere but in Ottawa. Coulter ruled the witnesses 
where not material to the gambling charges and when Hutton reached the 
same decision in Tuesday's trial, Turmel claimed he wants to appeal 
the decision because he isn't getting a fair opportunity to defend 
himself. Hutton then adjourned the trial until the end of the month. 
Turmel was charged by Ottawa police last May with keeping a common 
gaming house (a charge thrown out by Hutton after citing a Supreme 
Court decision on another case); keeping paraphenalia for gambling; 
and inducing person to hazard money on a gambling game. If convicted, 
he faces a minimum of 14 days in jail, as he already has two other 
gambling offence convictions. 
I liked that I wanted the chiefs to show that games were allowed 
everywhere but Ottawa. This evidence was ruled immaterial.
Ottawa Citizen, Editorial
Deposits would help
"One of the principals of democracy is anyone can run for office. 
True, candidates have to meet certain citizenship and age requirements 
but there are no real barriers to seeking election. The principal, of 
course, is that no one should be barred from office simply because of 
a potential candidate's lack of money or cannot round up sufficient 
supporters to sign nomination papers. That's why candidates in Ontario 
have an easy time of it...
The inevitable result is that Ontario become cluttered with nuisance 
candidates. They were evident in the last municipal election campaign, 
when anyone with an ax to grind could run for office if he or she 
could inveigle 10 friends to sign  nomination papers. No monetary 
deposit was required. Although these types of candidates have to 
chance to be elected, they gain a free soap box at all candidates' 
meetings  and an opportunity to complain about subsequent lack of 
coverage by the media. Some are well intentioned, some have a pet 
peeve to promote, some are simply glory-seekers and some are 
eccentrics. Occasionally, they force taxpayers to pay the cost of an 
expensive election when good candidates would otherwise be acclaimed.
The question is how to separate the pecans from the peanuts. There is 
no easy way. A deposit of $200 and the requirement of 100 signatures 
might deter some candidates... But anyone who is seriously running for 
office will have enough supporters to provide the required dollars and 
and signatures.
Serious aldermanic election campaigns require expenditures of several 
hundred to several thousands of dollars. If a candidate can't come up 
with $200, then he or she hasn't a hope of being elected.... Perhaps 
the present of nuisances is the price of democracy. But, just because 
someone meets the minimum requirements for nomination, doesn't mean he 
or she is worthy of attention. Getting 10 buddies to sign a piece of 
paper doesn't turn a nobody into a candidate to be taken seriously."
It opens the possibility of the error of mislabeling someone that is 
not there if all are treated equally.
Ottawa Citizen, Lewis Seale
Federal Court has taken under advisement a new bid by John Turmel to 
stop the Bank of Canada from charging interest. There was no 
indication how long Justice Louis Marceau would take to give a ruling. 
The bank did no bother putting up a defence. When Turmel took his case 
to Ontario Supreme Court last fall, he was brought up by a ruling that 
the court did not have jurisdiction. That's why he's trying his luck 
in Federal Court.
Ottawa Citizen, Tim Harper
Debate "no shows" rile city audience, Ken McQueen
One of the meetings organizers said she only learned Cassidy wasn't 
going to show late Monday afternoon.
Less than 30 minutes into the meeting, proceedings were brought 
temporarily to a halt when a shouting match developed between 
perpetual candidate John Turmel, running for Social Credit in Ottawa 
Centre, and meeting chairman Joe Mangione.
Turmel -- vociferously backed up by younger brother Ray, Social Credit 
candidate in Ottawa South -- demanded that he be allowed to answer a 
question from the floor.
An angry Mangione, chairman of the Carleton Separate School Board, 
ordered the police be called to take Turmel away. However, an 
audience, appalled at the idea of police carting off a candidate, 
voted to let each candidate respond to every question.
Ottawa Citizen, Lewis Seale
John Turmel loses round in Bank of Canada case
Gambler-politician John Turmel has lost yet another round in court as 
he tries to stop the Bank of Canada from charging interest. "Beyond 
the powers of the court," was the crisp ruling from Justice Louis 
Marceau of Federal Court. He went on to label Turmel's application for 
an order banning interest "frivolous" and an "abuse" of the court 
process. Undaunted, Turmel says he will appeal. (final edition)
Le Droit, Michel Ouimet
John Turmel manages to disrupt a meeting
John Turmel has chosen to make his entry into the campaign in a noisy 
fashion. As an independent-Creditiste was even threatened with 
expulsion by the police for having disrupted the last night's debate 
at Immaculata High School. 
After having answered the question, the organizer asked the 
Conservative David Small and the New Democrat Chris Chilton to expound 
further on their answers.  They did. 
Then, the moderator, Mr. Joseph Mangione, invited more questions for 
the candidates. There was already another person at the microphone to 
ask another question when John Turmel, visibly frustrated at not 
having had a second chance to answer the question, like Smart and 
Chilton, rose from his seat and demanded the right to answer, accusing 
the moderator of not having given him an equal chance. Then followed a 
shouting match.
John's brother, Ray, who is running in Ottawa South, got involved and 
the two started denouncing Mr. Mangione's actions. Several people in 
the audience started booing Turmel when he said "Hey, kid, don't make 
us mad," to the person at the microphone who was still trying to ask 
his question. 
A little more and it could have led to blows. Mangione therefore 
called the police during a 5- or 6-minute "pause " Finally, the 
services of the police were not necessary because the meeting voted to 
permit Turmel to say what he wanted to say, and the debate proceeded 
Ottawa Citizen, Jane Taber
The longer ballots in the five Ottawa ridings can be credited to 
perennial candidate and loser John Turmel, seeking the Ottawa Centre 
seat in his sixth election. He's also managed to persuade his brother, 
Ray, and several friends to seek seats in neighboring ridings.
Turmel, who assumed the role of interim leader of the Ontario Social 
Credit Party just five days ago, says he is a serious candidate and 
will be tough opposition to NDP leader Michael Cassidy.
Le Droit, France Pilon
Debate in Ottawa Centre: Once again, Turmel disrupts a meeting, Turmel 
in his 7th campaign
Picture of me showing my sign `A vote for the NDP is a vote for a 
"Week's severance pay for laid-off workers: Cassidy election vow" and 
a vote for the Social Credit Engineer is a vote for jobs.
OTTAWA -- Faithful to his habits, the leader of the Ontario Social 
Credit party and candidate in Ottawa Centre, Mr. John Turmel, one 
again managed to disrupt a political debate.
Actually, during the debate, Mr. Turmel, who does not tolerate any 
criticism, got involved in a virulent exchange with some members of 
the audience, even insulting someone who was trying to call him to 
The noisy incident occurred when one voter decided to have Mr. Turmel 
directly answer the question, on health care, without letting him use 
his unique all-purpose answer, a miracle equation which would allow 
for the establishment of an interest-free banking system.
Offended at being abruptly interrupted, Mr. Turmel shouted as loud as 
he could allowing his opponent little chance of finishing his 
"Go take a walk, fish! You don't understand anything. Use your head," 
he told him adding to the insult several outrageous epithets which 
were very disagreeable to hear.
The verbal battle that took place after the debate almost turned into 
a fight when Turmel invited the angry voter to come and try to prove 
what he was trying to say. But Turmel's inelegant sayings at least 
served to enliven the atmosphere and keep the attention of the 400 
voters present, some of whom had started getting bored and were 
already starting to leave.
Now 30 years old, Turmel is in his seventh election campaign under the 
Social Credit banner including 4 federal, one municipal and two 
provincial campaigns, all with the same program and the same promise: 
The establishment of a computerized interest-free social credit 
banking system.
Owner of a business "Turmel's Social Credit Computer" and a gambling 
house incorporated in Ontario, John Turmel wages his campaign armed 
with a blackboard where he writes his miracle equation and his hard-
hat titled `The Engineer.'
Though he may be a fine mathematician, Mr. Turmel lacks psychology and 
is aggressive with the crowd rather than courting its favor.
He doesn't hesitate if someone disagrees with his theory to proffer 
insults and outrageous proposals at the objector.
Intolerant, he demands the attention of all though he never lets his 
opponents finish what they have to say.
In debates, he invariably uses the same answer for all questions -- an 
miracle all-purpose answer which he uses with all sauces.
Confidently, he defies anyone to show one flaw in his system. During 
the debate, he even offered NDP leader Michael Cassidy, a $3,000 to $1 
bet. "There is no flaw in my banking system. I have the science," he 
declared during a telephone interview.
Indignant at having to pay interest on mortgage loans, Mr. Turmel has 
already tried pursue actions against the bank of Canada so that it 
would restrict itself to the service charges and abolish the interest 
charges. Since the, his case is going from one court to the other and 
will soon be heard in the Supreme Court of Ontario.
Ottawa Citizen, Kerry Lockhart
Turmel said "Don't bug me and I won't bug you."
Ottawa Citizen
Turmel and plank back
Turmel, claiming the interim leadership of the Ontario Social Credit 
Party, continues to flog his one-plank platform: the elimination of 
all interest rates and a computerized financial system.
The elimination of interest rates would wipe out inflation immediately 
and an computer hookup in every home would render banks useless and 
allow immediate easy access to necessary credit, he says.
Carleton Charlatan
Another journey to the promised land
John "The Engineer" Turmel makes no bones about the fact that he is a 
one-issue candidate.
The professional gambler and perpetual office-seeker, recently-
returned from a two-week engagement at the Ottawa jail, says that 
interest rates are the problem and their elimination is the solution.
For all his flamboyant talk of "no interest computer mortgages", 
"genocidal functions", and future Nobel prizes for economics, Turmel's 
message is a simple one.
The only way to get zero inflation and zero unemployment is to set the 
interest rate at zero. People are afraid it's too simple, but they've 
been conned."
The 30 year old former Carleton student says that there is a 
fundamental difference between Social Credit and the three major 
parties. Gesturing wildly, Turmel explains that, "Liberal, 
Conservatives and New Democratic are adjectives, but Social Credit is 
both and adjective and a noun. It is a method. It is the solution to 
the genocide perpetrated by monopoly capitalism."
Turmel talks excitedly of a society that seems to be drawn  straight 
from the pages of Kurt Vonnegut's Player Piano.
He argues that, "It's only a matter of time until the scientists and 
engineers gain political control anyway."
Asked whether he has difficulty explaining his algebraic inflation and 
unemployment equations to the voters of Ottawa-Centre, Turmel 
explained that he uses biblical quotations as proof of the humanity of 
the Social Credit solution.
Quoting from Paul to the Corinthians and Luke, Turmel noted that his 
proposals are not only mathematically irrefutable, "but Christian to 
Predicting the abolition of banks within a decade, Turmel foresees 
that insurance companies will likewise go the way of the Dodo. "Under 
the Social Credit system," says Turmel, "we'll pay as we burn, but 
never again up front."
Turmel's dilemma is one of visibility versus respectability.
Charging the Bank of Canada with genocide and keeping a common gaming 
house ensures media coverage for himself and his ideas. Unfortunately 
for Turmel, such antics also cause people to dismiss him a a 
publicity-hungry crank.
Picture of Ray Turmel
This is the Ontario Social Credit party which is out to prove it is 
not a prehistoric creature from Canada's political past.
Its candidate is Ray Turmel together with his brother, the notorious 
John Turmel (Ottawa Centre candidate and interim leader of the Ontario 
Social Credit), Raymond is running a very low budget campaign.
The political "Laurel and Hardy" of Ottawa have received little 
attention from the media Turmel said The Citizen, CJOH and CFGO have 
all refused equal political time for the Social Credit movement.
To questions posed on any issue, Ray Turmel will declare "It's just a 
matter of funding" Turmel's grandiose schemes for solving the woes of 
society include such gems as an "education credit card, interest free" 
for students.
His views are indeed unique in this campaign.
Toronto Sun, Ted Welsh
Fates have it in for Mike
It should be obvious by now that God is not a New Democrat.
But having accepted that, why does he continue playing practical jokes 
on NDP Leader Mike Cassidy? We all have our cross to bear, but why is 
Cassidy's so heavy?
Take yesterday for example, Cassidy was flogged every step of the way 
by John "The Engineer" Turmel, his 30 year old Social Credit opponent 
from back home in Ottawa Centre.
It was expected the day would be a lengthy, serious discussion of the 
desperate need for more day care in metro, highlighted by a position 
paper, a visit with some kids and a news conference.
Instead, it turned into a bizarre attempt by Turmel to preach his 
gospel according to the Bank of Canada and generally give the 
impression he's just landed on Earth via the Mars milk run.
People joke on the NDP bus that Mike from Ork wasn't really born in 
Victoria and actually hails from Mars. It's not such a joke with 
The loud, wise-cracking Turmel beamed himself into Cassidy's first 
event at the Immigrant Womens' job Placement Centre on Spadina Ave. 
where the plan was to talk about women's problems getting affordable 
day care.
But first, Cassidy had to get past the sign-waving Turmel, dubbed "The 
Spaceman," decked out in his white hard hat with "The Engineer" 
printed on it.
"He's afraid of me," shouted Turmel, "It's a question of winners and 
he's a loser. A Vote for Cassidy is a vote for severance pay (whatever 
that means)."
"He's not getting away from me," Turmel muttered as Cassidy moved off 
into the offices.
It was at that point that the weird factor was cranked up another 
notch as Turmel began snarling at NDP aide Robin Sears "don't get in 
my way, don't push me ever again."
Then Turmel stomped on a radio reporter's toe and the newsman began 
waving his microphone in the man's face. Sears meanwhile was 
protesting his innocence, while the serious-face Cassidy ignored the 
insanity across the room and calmly lent his ear to the litany of woe 
from the women.
Sears said later Turmel had given him a kidney punch. At one point, 
press aide Warren Caragata then entered the fray, telling Turmel in a 
terse voice "you're a guest here. Don't push it."
When Cassidy arrived at the St. Stephen's Daycare Centre, Turmel had 
already arrived and was busy telling a three-year girl that the leader 
"won't give you a job. He's for severance pay." She didn't appear 
"Where's my opponent hiding?" Turmel roared as party workers grimaced.
After Cassidy toured the centre to meet all the pre-schoolers, he then 
came out into the playground where - standing amid a tangle of 
tricycles, climbing bars and swings - he talked about how his party 
would make universal day care for all a right and not a privilege
Across the street, Turmel sat on the hood of his car shouting insults 
at Cassidy and waving a wad of money stuck in his fist.
"Chicken", he screamed, making a cluckcluck sound as the TV camera 
whirred. "Do you want to vote for a chicken?"
And finally, Turmel showed up to sit with the media to monitor 
Cassidy's 15 minute interview at MTV where he had to be told a couple 
of times to "shut up" when he began blathering on during the show.
He mentioned spending nine days in jail a few weeks ago after being 
convicted of what he called "possession of a deck of cards." Turns out 
Turmel bills himself as a professional gambler. "Have game, will 
travel. "Yes."
Ah yes, covering the NDP space shuttle does indeed have its wackier 
Oh, almost forgot. The entire MTV interview was done in Italian and 
the NDP had to call in a party interpreter.
Just another one of those out space days.
London Free Press, Cheryl Hamilton
It just wasn't Cassidy's day
Toronto- Just about everywhere Michael Cassidy went Thursday, someone 
was there to give him a hard time.
Leaders of the opposition parties don't usually have to face head-to-
head criticism on the campaign trail -it's the premier who gets most 
of that kind of heat.
But the NDP leader was dogged for most of the day by a tenacious, 
fast-talking, sign-waving, Social Credit opponent from his home riding 
of Ottawa Centre.
When Cassidy arrived at the Immigrant Women's job Placement Centre 
where he was to talk to some women about day-care problems, John 
Turmel, a 30-year-old electrical engineer who says he makes his living 
as a professional gambler, was waiting.
Turmel, who is president of the Ontario Social Credit party and is 
running for the Socreds in Cassidy's riding, claimed Cassidy was 
avoiding all-candidates debates in Ottawa. But Cassidy has 
participated in three such debates this week, two in Ottawa on Monday 
and one radio session by telephone hook-up from London on Wednesday, 
Turmel said Cassidy has missed some others.
Inside the women's centre, Turmel complained in a loud voice that 
Cassidy's staffers were "pushing me around" and trying to block his 
way. The Cassidy people said they weren't, and advised Turmel to calm 
Turmel eventually left, but showed up at the next stop - a Toronto day 
care centre -bringing his sign criticizing Cassidy for supporting 
severance pay for workers. Turmel was still wearing a white hard hat 
identifying him as "The Engineer."
As Cassidy delivered his message on day care in the centre's 
playground, Turmel sat on a car roof shouting "chicken" and waving a 
wad of bills. The money represented a bet he tried to make with 
Cassidy at an all-candidates meeting Monday. The odds he gave were 
3,000 to 1 that the NDP leader couldn't find a flaw in Turmel's 
economic platform. Cassidy declined the bet.
Turmel, who has run several times in the past for other public offices 
in Ottawa and lost, claims he has found the answer to unemployment and 
inflation; give everyone a no-interest line of credit at the bank. He 
said he offers "no-interest mortgages by computer."
Cassidy and his aides managed to keep smiling most of the time while 
Turmel kept yelling. Turmel said he'd keep after Cassidy until the 
leader agreed to attend another meeting in Ottawa early next week.
"He ain't getting away from me."
Later, at the taping of an interview in Italian at a multilingual 
television station, Turmel was on hand again, giving out his 
"certificates of economic intelligence" which say that credit with 
interest amounts to usury.
Turmel, who told reporters he had been sent to jail recently for his 
gambling activities - for "possession of a deck of cards" -sat with 
newsmen while an NDP worker translated the gist of the Cassidy 
interview into English. Turmel brought along a woman he identified as 
one of blackjack dealers, as well as two other Socred candidates.
Toronto Star, Rick Haliechuk
Cassidy is shadowed by "fringe" candidate
It was a touch unwordly on the Mike Cassidy tour yesterday, like a 
trip to the nether regions of outer space. When the NDP leader arrived 
at the Immigrant Women's Job Placement Centre, there to greet him was 
John Turmel, reputed to be the leader of the Ontario Social Credit 
party and a candidate against Cassidy in Ottawa Centre.
Sporting a white hard-hat with the word "engineer" written on it, 
Turmel cheerfully accused Cassidy of refusing to debate with him. "You 
ducked me in Ottawa, so I had to come to Toronto to get ya'," he said.
Cassidy couldn't make an all-candidates debate in his riding the other 
night, but he has taken part in three of them so far this week. 
Turmel, who calls himself a professional gambler ("have Game, Will 
Travel"), decided to dog the Cassidy tour all day. He was there 
sitting on the roof of his car cackling, "you're chicken, you're 
chicken," as Cassidy made his pitch to reporters for more daycare 
spaces outside a daycare centre on Bellevue Ave. He was there, 
waiting, when Cassidy arrived at the channel 47 studios to tape a TV 
interview, in Italian.
Picture this scene: First, Turmel babbles away to reporters about 
Socred policy ("no-interest mortgages by computer") and then tells 
them he was recently arrested in Ottawa for "possession of a deck of 
"Have you got a full deck, John?" shouts Robin Sears, the national 
secretary of the federal NDP, who joined the tour this week.
In walks Carmela Laurignano of the NDP caucus office, who's there to 
translate the interview for the press. She softly advises Turmel to 
"shut up" when she's doing the talking. Then, after Cassidy gives an 
answer in Italian about rent controls, she informs reporters it was 
"pretty well the standard answer you've heard before." Oh thank you.
The Turmel episode again raises the question of the so-called 
"nuisance" candidates, those people who run in elections only to get 
publicity. Ontario election law no longer requires candidates to put 
down deposits when they enter a campaign. In the past, a candidate 
forfeited the money if he didn't get at least 15 percent of the vote 
Turmel, who might be more comfortable as a comedian, got equal time 
with Cassidy and the Liberal and Tory candidates during all three 
debates in Ottawa this week. The question of how much attention should 
be paid to "fringe" candidates has never been properly answered and 
likely never will be. To their credit, Sears and other Cassidy aides 
(aside from the tough-talking Laurignano) treated Turmel courteously 
yesterday, although the temptation to drop him under the wheels of the 
bus must have been enormous.
Ottawa Citizen, Nora McCabe
Turmel "shadow" haunts Cassidy
Perennial political hopeful John Turmel has moved his Ottawa Centre 
election campaign to Toronto. The Social Credit candidate and a small 
entourage including a lady described as "Cindy" the blackjack dealer, 
spent Thursday shadowing NDP leader Michael Cassidy around the city, 
to the annoyance of Cassidy's staff.
At one point, Turmel sat on his car roof yelling "chicken, chicken, 
chicken," at Cassidy who was touring a local daycare centre. Turmel 
says he's angry that Cassidy has not appeared at several all-
candidates debates in his riding and does not plan to appear on a 
televised debate next Monday. "I told him I'm coming to get him," 
Turmel told reporters. "If he's not there, I'll beat him up." 
After observing this display in silence for a few minutes, a couple of 
pre-schoolers toddled over to Turmel's perch and observed "boy, are 
you ever dumb."
I don't know where she got the idea I'd say I was going to beat him 
up. It doesn't make any sense.
Globe & Mail, Rosemary Spiers
Knocking on doors is a lost cause for John Turmel, the Social Credit 
candidate in Michael Cassidy's riding. So he spent yesterday in 
Toronto tagging after the NDP leader, baiting him.
Claiming to be an engineer who has designed a "no interest' system of 
mortgages for home financing, Mr. Turmel, and his brother Ray (who's a 
candidate in Ottawa South), first tried to crash a session on day-care 
problems. They lost a shoving match with Cassidy aide Robin Sears.
Later, the Turmel brothers sat in their car outside another day=care 
centre, shouting that Mr. Cassidy was "chicken." 
They tried to get the children to chant along, but the kids had their 
number. "No, no, no," they shouted "You're stupid."
London Free Press, John Hamilton
Ontario Social Credit chief gambling on London West
The interim leader of the Social Credit party in Ontario announced 
Friday he will run as an Independent candidate in the April 13 federal 
by-election in London West. Electrical engineer John Turmel, who 
describes himself as a professional gambler said: "I'm holding the 
winning hand" in the London West race.
Turmel, 30, of Ottawa said he was "really optimistic" he could end a 
losing streak during which he has been defeated in attempts to win 
four federal, two provincial and one municipal seat in the last three 
Turmel believes party doctrine. He also believes a one-issue campaign 
of "no-interest mortgage by computer" can win him thee London West 
seat. He said he feels his frequent confrontations with Ottawa police 
in the past three years over his promotion of floating casinos in the 
city won't hurt his chances.
"Gambling, like banking, is based on the laws of probabilities. If 
banks can offer 15 percent mortgages by computer, they can give you 
zero percent mortgage." 
Turmel also hopes to persuade governments and the public he has the 
answer to unemployment woes in Canada. "The answer is based on an 
algebraic solution that could end the economic war being fought over 
unemployment. The proposed solution will probably win me a Nobel prize 
in economics, science and peace."
London Free Press
But John Turmel, a 30-year-old electrical engineer and professional 
gambler from Ottawa found out about the meeting and showed up. 
Turmel, interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit party, got a lot 
of attention for his economic theories. He said he can cue inflation 
and unemployment by eliminating interest from the money system.
London Free Press
Lack of an invitation infuriated independent candidate John Turmel who 
arrived at the second-floor meeting hall about 11:35a.m. When 
organizers said he couldn't participate, Turmel demanded an 
explanation and the noon meeting was delayed about 15 minutes. He was 
finally allowed to speak, provided he adhered to rules of procedure.
Turmel criticized meeting organizers saying it was the first time in 
seven years he'd attended a candidates' meeting where all participants 
weren't allowed to respond to audience questions.
London Free Press
Independent John Turmel said he has the solution for inflation and 
unemployment -- interest-free credit. He said people are being 
"conned" by the Bank of Canada. 
On the issue of capital punishment, Turmel's answer was to solve the 
money system problem.
Turmel said "if I had the answer to all your problems, what difference 
does it make where a candidate lives?"
Ottawa Citizen, Regina Hickl-Szabo
Gambler unlucky with key witness
Professional gambler John Turmel, charged with running a gambling 
house, told a Hull judge Tuesday the Governor of the Bank of Canada 
runs a gaming house too. Turmel, a fast talking gambler-politician who 
claims that Canada's banking system is ruining the country, was 
accused last May of operating a gambling house on a boat on the Ottawa 
River. Dice in hand, Turmel, who was defending himself, appeared 
before Judge Gerard Charron, ready to prove that his gambling casino 
is legal but that Gerald Bouey's Bank of Canada is not. The court case 
quickly snagged, however, when none of Turmel witnesses turned up. 
Turmel had called on Bouey to appear, but the Governor didn't show 
because his subpoena was missing a Quebec Superior judge's signature. 
A subpoena was also served to Jean Paul Laurin, Secretary of the 
Canadian Police Chiefs' Association, but Laurin wrote to the court 
saying he never had anything to do with Turmel and didn't see his 
relevance to the case. Judge Charron told Turmel he was free to recall 
both witnesses but any testimony Bouey would give would likely be 
considered irrelevant to charge.
Turmel flabbergasted Charron when he compared the Bank of Canada's 
charge of interest on loans to a gambling house which charges gamblers 
a fee to buy chips. "It's an illegal rake off. The Bank of Canada is 
in direct violation of the criminal code" Turmel said.
Charron told Turmel he would probably have better luck bringing down 
the Bank of Canada before the House of Commons. He said he has no 
authority to pass judgment on the Bank of Canada because it hasn't 
been charged with anything. "One thing is for sure -- this is an 
economic or political question, not a judicial one." 
Turmel will present his defence June 2. He says he will continue 
defending himself because he can't afford a lawyer.
Le Droit, Andre Archambault
Turmel accused of having a gaming house
John Turmel, professional gambler, politician, and self-styled 
Engineer of Social Credit, lost his try to subpoena the Governor of 
the Bank of Canada Gerald Bouey before the court. Turmel was 
undergoing his trial in Provincial Court under the accusation of 
holding a gaming house on a boat at Hull Pier on the 24 and 28 of May 
Mr. Turmel has admitted all the proof presented by the Crown Attorney, 
Guy Pinsonneault, to the effect that his company "JCT Casinos Inc." 
rented the boat at $1000 a month and they were playing for money and 
playing blackjack in particular. But he wasn't able to present his 
defence because two witnesses he had subpoenaed, Mr. Bouey and Mr. 
Jean Paul Laurin, didn't show up.
Mr. Turmel, who was defending himself and who didn't forget to invite 
the journalists to his trial, wanted to demonstrate by Bouey's 
testimony Bouey was running the most important gaming house in the 
country and that the Bank Act was itself in violation of the Criminal 
Code by permitting a charge of interest on money. As to Laurin, he had 
been subpoenaed to recall that at a convention of police chiefs, they 
had been of the opinion that the law concerning gaming houses had been 
Judge Charron, who presided over the process had asked about the 
pertinence of these two witnesses. "This subject that you want to 
raise about the Bank Act, isn't it more political or economic? It's to 
the House of Commons you should go with your suggestions, said Judge 
Charron talking about the testimony the Governor of Bank Of Canada 
could have given in this case. As to the testimony of Mr. Laurin, 
judge Charron estimated that his role is to apply to law and there are 
no lessons in law that he is going to learn from the chiefs of police 
who, like everyone else, have their right to their opinion.
It is not over yet because Turmel is going to make a motion in the 
Superior Court in Hull where they are going to debate the pertinence 
of Mr. Bouey and Mr. Laurin in his process which is adjourned until 
June 2. Let's remember that Turmel ran in electoral campaigns nine 
times since 1979, on the municipal scene for Mayor of Ottawa and 
Provincial and Federal and he's been beaten each time. His electoral 
program is always the same and consists of one promise: establishing 
in Canada a banking system of Social Credit without interest by 
computer and for a service charge fixed on the money borrowed.
Professional gambler, he does not have the intention of stopping his 
activities and believes they are legal.
In 1977 John Turmel was accused and found guilty of running a gaming 
house and fined $500. He had that decision overturned for the fine at 
the Supreme Court of Ontario.
In 1979 while he was incorporated under JCT Casinos Inc. "We keep 
books and we pay our taxes," he outlined that he paid a $200 fine for 
running an illegal game.
Finally, having been found guilty of a similar charge last February, 
he spent nine days in prison at Ottawa.
Ottawa Citizen Letter, R. W. Lawson, Bank Of Canada
I have read with fascination the thoughts of your columnists 
Christopher Young on interest rates and inflation. Common sense tells 
him, he says, that the way to reduce inflation, is to reduce interest 
rates. If Mr. Young trusts his common sense, why does he not launch a 
Christopher Young Crusade for Near-Zero Interest Rates? Is it possible 
that Mr. Young's common sense is telling him some other things -- that 
there would be a problem of finding the enormous amounts of money that 
people want to borrow at low interest rates and that in present 
circumstances, a campaign for low interest rates is really a campaign 
for the unlimited printing of money?
Perhaps Mr. Young's common sense boggles at the idea the way to 
preserve the purchasing power of money is to create it without limit.
On May 28, I sent a letter to the Citizen which never got published:
Citizen editor:
It's sad to realize that Mr. Lawson is not gifted with a little of the 
common sense which tells Mr. Christopher Young that "the way to reduce 
inflation is to reduce interest rates." In his letter dated May 25, he 
miscontrues  that statement to mean that "the way to preserve 
purchasing power of money is to create it without limit." Actually, it 
sounded more like Mr. Young had suggested that the way to preserve 
purchasing power is to create it without so much interest attached.
I would point out that the equation shows that Mr. Young's common 
sense is scientifically correct and that the way to actually preserve 
the purchasing power of money is to create it without interest.
A casino bank creates its money (chips) without an interest charge and 
exhibits no inflation, as predicted by the equation. Mr. Lawson's 
conclusion that "a campaign for low interest rates is really a 
campaign for the unlimited printing of money" is unfounded since a 
casino bank which issues chips (money) at zero interest has a natural 
limit placed on the creation of those chips by the natural amount of 
collateral backing up those chips.
Since both Mr. Lawson's Bank of Canada and a casino bank use identical 
hardware (money and chips of different colors and denominations) 
inflation is therefore a software problem with the bank's computer 
program that can be fixed instantaneously with a program change.
I can understand why Mr. Young has not started a Crusade for Near-Zero 
Interest Rates as suggested by Mr. Lawson since there already exists a 
VAST crusade for Zero Interest Rates on credit, called Social Credit.
I think Mr. Young is smart enough not to settle for Mr. Lawson's HALF-
VAST suggestion. Hoping to have settled the issue, I am,
The Engineer
Regina Leader Post
Regina Leader Post Front Page from June 12, 1981 had a picture of me 
in my box in front of the Bank of Canada in Ottawa with a caption:
"High Noon" While the Bank of Canada rate dipped fractionally Thursday 
and Statistics Canada was saying consumer prices in May were 12.3% 
higher than a year earlier, John Turmel held a "high-noon" 
demonstration on Parliament Hill to protest interest rates (CP) Stores 
on Page A2.
Ottawa Citizen, Don Butler
Slash interest rates to shape new order, government urged
"The Canadian government should begin immediately to reduce interest 
rates as a first step towards building a new world monetary order." 
Senator Maurice Lamontagne. 
At least he's a first stepper in the right direction. He's right that 
reducing interest, his first step means less restriction but instead 
of aiming at less restrictive, why not aim at free?
Monetarism, the current tight money gospel of the Bank of Canada "is 
fundamentally as simplistic as Social Credit. 
True except that the gospel of monetarism is fundamentally 
simplistically wrong and the gospel of Social Credit is fundamentally 
simplistically right. Monetarism states that inflation is inversely 
related to interest. Social Credit states that inflation is directly 
related to interest. One gospel or the other is ass-backwards. Any 
engineer can see by the equation inflation is directly, not inversely, 
related to the interest rate. Though the Social Credit solution where 
i=0 is undoubtedly simple, engineers and scientists would consider 
this a strength, not a weakness. Monetarism and Social Credit are two 
sides of a coin. One is a winner, one a loser.
Lamontagne criticized Bank of Canada Governor Gerald Bouey for "making 
the wrong diagnosis" of the causes of the country's inflation by 
ascribing inflation to an overheated economy.
Lamontagne noted that "with no increase in money supply, we can still 
have inflation." He must therefore concur that inflation is not 
necessarily an increase in money chasing goods but a decrease in the 
goods being chased by the same money.
"As the bank continues to apply the wrong remedy, it is danger of 
losing its credibility." The equation shows it has no real credibility 
though many are conned.
Unfortunately, we live in a complex world where powerful factions of 
supplies of goods and services are fighting against each other to get 
a larger slice of a shrinking pie."
I decided to write a letter to the editor on July 18 which never got 
printed. It included the A and B shifts [graph]
Ottawa Citizen editor:
In Don Butler's article, Senator Lamontagne states that Monetarism, 
the tight credit gospel of the Bank of Canada is "fundamentally as 
simplistic as Social Credit."
Tight credit, Monetarism, is credit for which the debt grows beyond 
the capacity to repay. Social Credit is credit for which the debt 
remains stable because the interest charge has been replaced by a 
simple service charge. 
A casino banking system or a coat-check system expanded to accept all 
collateral are Social Credit models because they charge no interest 
for the use of the liquidity and suffer no inflation. Since they use 
identical hardware as the Canadian banking system, chips, checks or 
money of different colors or denominations, scientists must conclude 
that inflation is a software problem that can be corrected by a 
program change at the computer of the central bank.
Though it is true that tight credit and social credit are like two 
sides of the same coin, one is the winner and the other is the loser. 
In the case where 10 dollars buys 10 potatoes today,
a) tight credit believes that tomorrow's inflation is the shift A in 
the purchasing power, shown in the diagram, caused by an increase in 
the money chasing the potatoes. It believes that inflation is the 
inverse function of the interest rate and raising the rate to tighten 
credit will result in less inflation.
b) Social Credit believes that tomorrow's inflation is the shift B 
caused by a decrease in the potatoes being chased by the dollars. It 
occurs when producers must raise their prices to recuperate both the 
principle and the interest and fail to repay both because the interest 
was never put into circulation. That ratio of producers have their 
potatoes confiscated resulting in Shift B. Shift B has been measured 
with the theory of games to be i/1+i where "i" is the interest rate.
As Social Credit believes, both equations show that inflation is the 
direct function of the interest rate and reducing the interest rate 
will reduce inflation.
Senator Lamontagne is therefore correct when he notes that "even with 
no increase in the money supply (shift A), there can still be 
inflation (shift B). Gerald Bouey is making the wrong diagnosis of the 
causes of the country's inflation. As the bank continues to apply the 
wrong remedy, it is in serious danger of completely losing its 
credibility." The equation shows that we must accept that Monetarism 
has no credibility before Mr. Bouey's wrong remedy also kills the 
patient, our industrial capacity.
I would ask that since the Senator urges an immediate reduction of the 
interest rate as a first step in the right direction of a less 
restrictive credit, why not go all the way in the right direction of a 
totally free, non-restrictive social (i=0) credit? I am,
The Engineer
Toronto Sun, Peter Young
Gambler takes a shot at spadina
Picture of me at my upside down blackboard captioned "John Turmel, 
independent candidate in the Spadina by-election explains how he'll 
run the banking system along the lines of a casino."
John Turmel, a self-styled professional gambler can't seem to beat the 
system when it comes to politics. The Ottawa man cheerfully admits' 
he's lost nine election since 1979 in various parts of the country. 
Turmel became the first Independent to jump into the Spadina federal 
by-election race against back-room baron Jim Coutts -- which makes him 
a good bet to run his losing streak to 10. 
Turmel's campaign strategy consists of promising to beat inflation by 
re-arranging the banking system along the lines of a gambling casino. 
"That'll solve the interest rate problem, he claims. "After all, when  
was the last time you heard of casinos charging interest on their 
chips? It will also end inflation. If a casino's chips inflate, the 
casino banker gets beat up," he points out. Turmel, who is facing 2 
gambling charges in Ottawa, shrugs off suggestions that voters may 
resist his logic "I can't help it if people are too ignorant to vote 
for a man of science," he told a Toronto press conference yesterday. 
"History will prove they're the jerks, not me. You've got to admit 99% 
of the people are pretty stupid."
Ottawa Citizen Letter, Peter Bishop
Kill the patient
Gerald Bouey, governor of the Bank of Canada, is like a doctor who, 
acting on the theory that a patient's persistent headaches are being 
caused by an excess of flow of blood to the head decided that the most 
effective treatment is to apply a tourniquet around the patient's neck 
and to keep tightening until the headaches go away. The question is, 
which will go first, the headaches or the patient himself?
Ottawa Citizen
On the Hill
Helmut Schmidt, Francois Mitterand and Pierre Trudeau weren't the only 
people lobbying for lower interest rates during the summit. John 
Turmel was there too. Mind you, Turmel, erstwhile Ottawa mayoralty 
candidate and interim leader of the Social Credit Party of Ontario, 
didn't get the chance to make his pitch directly to U.S. president 
Ronald Reagan. So he did the next best thing. Wearing his trademark 
white hard hat and a broad smile, Turmel crashed the white house press 
centre temporarily established in the Skyline Hotel and distributed 
literature. Despite his earnest manner, Turmel missionary work won few 
converts among the American correspondents. ABC news anchorman, 
attracted by Turmel's noisy sales pitch, turned and regarded this 
apparition in a hard hat with distaste "Who's that?" he demanded. 
Informed of Turmel's identity, he asked: "How did he get in here?" We 
can only hope Pierre and the boys were more persuasive with Ronnie.
Toronto Star, Jim Lewis
Socreds at odds in hopes for Spadina outcome
There won't be a Socred running against Liberal Jim Coutts in the 
Spadina by-election, says national party president Carl O'Malley. But 
there will be a Socred in there as one of the seven nominated 
candidates trying to topple Trudeau's personal choice. Social Credit 
provincial president John Turmel says he'll be running as an 
independent. "When I catch Coutts in public, I'll make him rue the day 
he met O'Malley." O'Malley says Coutts is a friend of his. Canadian 
Press reported yesterday that he personally favors the election of 
Coutts. "He is a personal friend. I have known him for 10 years and he 
would make a fine external affairs minister." He said the party had 
lined a candidate of Italian descent for the largely ethnic riding but 
decided against entering the race because "it would have split the 
vote." O'Malley is the Socred candidate in the other by-election in 
Joliette. Turmel said the Socreds are not running candidates because 
"O'Malley ran up big debts in the last federal election. "I'm used to 
running without their permission," says Turmel, a systems engineer who 
says he has a formula that proves the Socred belief that with no 
interest, there is no inflation. O'Malley was not available to reply.
La Presse, Florian Bertrand 
Picture of Ray in front of the Bank of Canada
Ray Turmel is the brother of John Turmel, creditiste candidate in 
Spadina. The two brothers have announced at a press conference that 
they are disassociating themselves from the official creditistes 
because they supported the Liberals and helped defeat Joe Clark. They 
deliberately held a creditiste casino to try to drag into the court 
the Bank of Canada. 
O'Malley says the Socreds couldn't deal in the back-rooms with Clark 
and Jim had helped Carl when he was being sued years ago. They were 
looking for back-room power while I was looking for front-room power, 
the scientific inquiry into the banking system. 
Ray started some political terrorism in Carl O'Malley's campaign 
headquarters in the Auberge du Gouverneur in Joliette. Carl has even 
suggested that Ray is a Tory agent if he was a Liberal agent. It seems 
Mom and Ray worked on 2 reporters right at the Auberge.
Le Droit
Carl O'Malley is the official Socred candidate. Ray Turmel is the 
Independent but calls himself the real Socred. O'Malley surprised 
everyone by wishing Jim Coutts good luck in the Spadina election. This 
provoked the candidacy of Mr. Turmel who didn't appreciate this 
affirmation. Mr. Turmel declared that his brother John is running as 
creditiste in Spadina.
Joliette Journal, Louis Pelletier
Carl O'Malley says that this is a more important and costly campaign 
than his predecessor's. The survival of the party is at stake. He says 
that it is by decision of the national executive that the Social 
Credit not present a candidate in Ontario. 
An Ottawa resident has surged forward as a Socred Independent which is 
a real ripple in O'Malley's pond. At the last moment, a Socred 
Independent Ray Turmel jumped into Joliette to be a nuisance to 
O'Malley. "He's not even a registered Socred. He won't even campaign 
in the riding," said O'Malley, truly depressed that that candidacy was 
accepted. After being suspected of being a Liberal agent, he's asking 
himself if this Ontarian is a gift from the Tories.
GLOBAL, Claude Adams
"Candidate John Turmel, a professional gambler from Ottawa who has 
visited Spadina but once, his campaign slogan is a mysterious 
algebraic equation for beating inflation. Turmel feels he should win 
the Nobel Prize but like the other fringe candidates in this election, 
he'll probably be happy with a few dozen votes."
Globe & Mail, Tom Walcom
Social Credit
Picture of C.H. Douglas
Every afternoon, as the Bank of Canada is pondering how much to push 
up interest rates, the latest brother combination of Canadian politics 
pickets the bank's palatial headquarters across from Parliament Hill. 
John Turmel, the interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit Party 
says that if he were allowed 5 minutes alone with with the central 
bank's computer, he could wipe out inflation. And in the tradition of 
Socred founder Major C.H. Douglas, he has devised a system of 
equations that he ways show that interest rates cause inflation. He is 
bringing the word -- P = 1/(1+i) and U=i/(1+i) -- to the voters of 
Toronto's Spadina by-election as an independent candidate while at the 
same time passing out his literature on the Sparks St. Mall.
Meanwhile, his brother Ray, an Ottawa taxi dispatcher, is running as 
an Independent Social Credit candidate against Socred president Carl 
O'Malley in Quebec's Joliette by-election. The brothers say they are 
challenging the Socred establishment because it is soft on interest 
rates. John, who describes himself as a professional gambler and 
control systems engineer, says the government should establish a 
commission of control systems engineers to investigate the banks. 
"Everyone else has had a chance to run the economy. Why not control 
systems engineer?"
The equation finally made it into a newspaper! Unfortunately, there 
was no explanation of how to use it and what the variables are. 
Toronto Star, Rick Brennan 
A fight on stage put a sudden end to the first Spadina all-candidates' 
meeting last night at the University of Toronto convocation hall. A 
push'em, knock'em down style brawl broke out shortly after 9p.m. 
between 58 U. of T. history professor Bill Nelson, chairing the 
meeting, and fringe candidate John Turmel, 30, of Ottawa. The crowd of 
about 500 looked on amazed as the two mixed it up both physically and 
verbally. It all started when Turmel, who says he's a professional 
gambler, grabbed the microphone from the lanky professor and demanded 
the chance to speak to a question on university funding posed to only 
the Liberal, New Democrat and Conservative candidates. 
Nelson then grabbed Turmel, who was wearing a construction hard hat 
and threw him off the stage with Turmel nearly falling to the floor. 
Turmel pushed his way back on stage knocking the professor to the 
floor. Just before the scuffle, questions from the floor were about to 
begin. University officials, seeing they were losing control of the 
meeting, quickly announced that the "meeting is adjourned." Nelson 
told reporters later that "I didn't resort to physical means... I was 
simply trying to recover the microphone," and that he pushed Turmel 
only "after he pushed me." "He wasn't asked to respond to the 
question... he had no business grabbing the mike," said the professor 
who was visibly shaken. Turmel, who had been arguing his rights 
throughout the circus-like meeting said he is contemplating laying 
charges against Nelson. 
"The point is, I wasn't about to leave until I got a chance to speak," 
Turmel told reporters. "The Federal Court of Appeal says I have the 
right to equal time. The law says there is no such thing as a major 
candidate." Turmel earlier in the meeting boasted that the by-election 
in Spadina is his 10th election in 2 years. He has run for everything 
from mayor to M.P. calling himself a Social Credit Independent 
candidate. The meeting got off to a bad start with the university 
unprepared for the fringe candidates -- four of whom showed up -- and 
the capacity crowd. The meeting had to move from a small steamy 
debates room the Hart House to Convocation Hall. From the start, a 
circus-like atmosphere with Turmel and his white hard had yelling he 
had a secret equation to end inflation and how the economy should be 
run like a gambling casino. He also carried a sign `Vote John the 
Engineer Turmel for M.P., M.P.P. or Mayor.' Originally, the meeting 
was organized by the university faculty for just the three main 
candidates. University officials including president James Ham and 
Nelson tried to ignore the fringe candidates. Led by Turmel, they 
protested saying "What we have got here is not going to be 
democratic." Turmel demanded he be allowed to sit with the three main 
candidates but was pushed aside by an unidentified university 
official. In the end, they got their way and they drew lots to see who 
would speak first.
While the bickering went on, tempers flared in the crowd as more and 
more people pressed in. After the three main candidates responded to a 
question by a spokesman for U. of T. student administrative council 
that Turmel demanded his say.
Toronto Star, Slinger
Spadina slugfest had it all
The all-candidates' meeting for the Spadina by-election was a 
schemozzle. But it was a spectacular schemozzle. It was the root'-est, 
tootin'-est, rip-roarin'-est, rudest and most rambunctious election 
meeting held in these parts in ages. It was the meeting against which 
all other all candidates meetings will have to be measured. It was 
noisy, hot, edgy and half the time it was drowned out by hecklers; it 
was vulgar, angry, funny and obscene; and it ended in a brawl. What 
could be finer than that? I have always maintained that politics in 
the best spectator sport in the country. If the meeting had been a 
hockey game, there would be editorials today demanding that something 
be done about the violence.
It was grand for a couple of other reasons. If the by-election is 
nothing more than the elevation of Jim Coutts, then the dignity of the 
voters demands that it proceed with as little dignity as possible. The 
sight of a professor of history ("In this corner ..") who was 
moderator of the meeting grappling with a proponent of one of 
history's greatest exercises in hokum, the independent social credit 
candidate, and of them flinging one another bodily, literally bodily, 
off the platform and otherwise carrying on like Haystack Calhoun and 
Killer Kowalski, was a sight that will forever represent to me a 
brilliant paradigm of the free interplay of ideas. The synthesis of 
intellectual solemnity and hysterical mumbo-jumbo produces first-rate 
buffoonery. Should Coutts ever become overly pretentious, let him 
never forget that his election was one of the great burlesques of the 
political process.
Globe & Mail, Paul Palango
The first all candidates' meeting in the Spadina by-election ended 
abruptly last night when the meeting's moderator got into a wrestling 
match with one of the candidates. William Nelson, a U. of T. history 
professor, adjourned the meeting after he was thrown over the shoulder 
of Independent candidate John Turmel and off the stage at U. of T.'s 
Convocation Hall. The incident occurred shortly after Mr. Nelson 
refused to allow Rhinoceros party candidate John Douglas to answer the 
first question from the audience of 450. He ruled that only those who 
were asked a question could answer it. The first question was directed 
to and answered by the major candidates. Each was given one minute to 
answer. Mr. Turmel took issue with Mr. Nelson's ruling and seized the 
microphone. As he tried to answer, he was booed. When a second 
question was addressed to Mr. Coutts, Mr. Turmel, with a white hard 
hat with the words The Engineer (on its front) for M.P. (on its back) 
tried to address the audience. Mr. Nelson moved forward and appeared 
to speak to Mr. Turmel who turned away from him. Mr. Nelson grabbed 
for the microphone and got turned around so that he had Mr. Turmel 
from behind. They scuffled for a few seconds and then Mr. Turmel bent 
over and threw Mr. Nelson over his shoulder onto the steps leading up 
to the stage. 
"I didn't resort to physical means, I was just trying to recover the 
microphone," Mr. Nelson told reporters afterward. "He pushed me 
first." He said he thought only the three main contenders were going 
to show up. "I didn't arrange for the other candidates to have equal 
time." Mr. Turmel, who in his opening address said the Bank of Canada 
should be run like a gambling casino, told reporters he would not 
press charges although a few people were urging him to do so. "All I 
wanted was the right to speak and he pushed me. I stood there and he 
interrupted my intention to speak. All he had to do was allow each one 
of us one minute to rebut each question." 
Toronto Sun, Dick Chapman
John Turmel, an engineer, got the most laughs. Turmel warned about 
nuclear mosquitoes and called for a "zero interest banking system."
Ottawa Citizen, CP
Turmel in real election fight
The fight for the seat in the Spadina riding was taken too literally 
by at least one candidate. The first all candidates' meeting came to 
an abrupt end when moderator John Nelson got into a wrestling match 
with John Turmel of Ottawa. Nelson adjourned the meeting after he was 
thrown over Turmel's shoulder and off the stage. The incident occurred 
after Nelson ruled only candidates to whom a question was directed 
could answer. After a question to the three main candidates, Turmel 
took issue with Nelson's ruling and grabbed the microphone. As Turmel 
tried to answer, he was booed by the audience of 450. When Turmel 
tried to answer the second question directed to Coutts, Nelson moved 
forward and tried to grab the microphone but ended up holding Turmel 
from behind. The two scuffled for a few seconds, then Turmel bent over 
and flipped Nelson over his shoulder on to the steps of the stage. 
Neither side is pressing the issue.
Toronto Star, Bruce Ward
Punchlines take place of punch-up
Picture of me demanding my 1 minute from John Bossons captioned 
"Making a point: Wearing his hard-hat trademark, independent candidate 
John Turmel emphasizes a point in heated discussion with John Bossons, 
chairman of last night's all-candidates' meeting.
There were plenty of belly laughs but no punch-ups at the Spadina all-
candidates' meeting last night, and everybody had fun except the 
politicians. Two police officers stood guard near the entrance of the 
Bloor St. United Church Hall to prevent a recurrence of the push-and-
shove match that marred the first all-candidates' meeting Monday.
The politicians' performance last night was great theater -- a sort of 
Punch-and-Judy version of participatory democracy. The candidates 
jeered each other and hecklers jeered candidates. The meeting was 
chaired by John Bossons, vice-chairman of the Annex Ratepayers 
Association. He began by setting out several "ground rules" that 
everybody ignored. The electronic media's "feeds" drained so much 
power from the public address system the candidates had to shout to be 
heard. Hecklers shouted back. 
But it was the fringe candidates who copped most of the laughs and the 
groans. John Turmel, who bills himself as a professional gambler and 
engineer, fanned out 10 $100 bills and dared Coutts to bet $1 that 
Turmel's "secret equation" cold not cure inflation. Coutts declined 
the bet. Turmel started the trouble at Monday's meeting when he 
wrestled the microphone from chairman Bill Nelson. Turmel and Nelson 
scuffled and both ended on the floor. That incident resulted in Turmel 
saying he will lay charges against Nelson who he says forced him from 
the stage when Turmel tried to speak without permission.
Toronto Sun, Dick Chapman
In a lighter moment, Coutts also accepted a 100-to-1 bet against 
independent candidate John Turmel, on finding a flaw in Turmel's 
"zero-interest" banking proposal.
Winnipeg Sun Front Page
Picking on wrong pickets
The Winnipeg Sun had a front page story about our demonstration and 
this old guy attacking us. It had picture of the guy pushing Ray and 
me holding on to his arm and a second picture of the guy down on the 
ground and the title said "Picking on wrong pickets." The sub-title 
said "Dis;-`credit'-ed".
This passer-by appeared to take offence at the protest of Social 
Credit Party interim leader John Turmel (in the hat) and his brother 
Ray (far left above). The man attacked both sign-bearing pickets -- 
who were in front of the Bank Of Canada protesting the high interest 
rate -- but was quickly tossed to the ground by the younger men.  
Calgary Sun, Kate Dunn
Down with usury
Calgary drivers horned in on a protest against high interest rates 
yesterday. As 6 adults and 4 children waved placards condemning Bank 
of Canada governor's interest rate policy, drivers of cars and trucks 
passing them in front of the bank's Calgary office tooted their horns 
in support of the protest. "Down with 21% usury" and "Bouey is a 
crook" were messages on some of the signs. "If this protest can save 
one person from making a mistake in dealing with a bank, it's worth 
it," said Anne Drabick. Her husband Ted is now in jail for taking 
hostages when two bailiffs tried to repossess his home.
John Turmel and two members of his family travelled from Ottawa to 
stage the protest and promote Turmel's ideas on bank lending policies. 
They hold a similar protest each Thursday in front of the bank's 
Ottawa headquarters when the prime lending rate is announced. Labeling 
himself a "banking systems engineer", Turmel said banks should be paid 
a set service charge rather than interest rates for lending money.
Calgary Herald, Lindsay Taylor
Interest pickets attract honking
A half dozen protesters demanding a cut in high interest rates drew 
horn honking as the paraded in front of the downtown Bank of Canada 
offices. Signs reading "Honk if you hate high interest rates" and 
"Jail bankers, not Drabick" were held by protesters including the wife 
and family of convicted hostage-taker Ted Drabick. The protesters were 
led by John Turmel as part of his continuing nation-wide fight against 
"usury" and interest rates. Turmel says he offers a standing $1000:1 
bet his complicated mathematical showing the cause of inflation and 
unemployment is correct "but the politicians are afraid of me. Every 
time they see me coming, they run." Turmel has run for office 10 times 
on his "sort of social credit" platform and is currently fighting his 
expulsion from the federal wing of the Social Credit Party. However, 
one of his most adamant supporters is Anne Drabick who joined him on 
the protest line. While the protesters attracted a lot of support from  
motorists, they were less than successful with passing pedestrians. 
Most, when confronted by the fast-talking Turmel, shook their heads in 
bemused confusion and quickly scurried away. He will lecture on the 
Engineering Solution to Inflation and Unemployment Tuesday Sept. 15 in 
room 201 of the Engineering Building of the University of Calgary.
Vancouver Sun
Front page picture, 
Vancouver Sun had a 7"x9" picture captioned "High interest protest on 
streets outside Bank of Canada at 900 West Hastings reverberated 
through financial district Thursday as motorists heeded John Turmel's 
signs. Turmel, right in white hard-hat, is a leadership candidate for 
national Social Credit party. 
The signs had Ray with "Honk if interest is criminal, S. 179.1.b.iii" 
and me holding my "interest=0" sign.
Calgary Sun
Drabick's wife joins crusade & Stiff the bank
Picture of Anne, Mom, Michel Brisson et al picketing with a caption 
"Ann Drabick (foreground) marches outside the Bank of Canada building 
The wife of hostage-taker Ted Drabick joined an Ottawa gambler in 
downtown Calgary yesterday to strike a blow against high interest 
rates. Ann Drabick and John Turmel marched outside the Bank and urged 
passers-by to "stiff the bank" by refusing to pay interest charges. 
Turmel is a well-known Ottawa figure calling for the abolition of 
interest. He says Canada should be run on a barter system. Turmel says 
interest amounts to illegal loan-sharking and says he'll use that 
argument to take the Bank of Canada to court over interest rates which 
are now running at more than 21%. Drabick says "interest rates just 
aren't right and we're urging people to pressure the politicians for 
legislation outlawing interest rates." Turmel and Drabick say they'll 
picket downtown banks for at least the rest of the week. "I might make 
a full-time career out of picketing," Drabick says.
Winnipeg Free Press, Greg Shilliday
Bouey runs big game
Front page blurb `NEW COIN TOSS' A gambler has the answer to Canada's 
economic woes -- he wants to take the governor of the Bank of Canada 
to court of operating a gaming house. Page 3
Picture of Ray with "Stiff the Bank" captioned "John Turmel's brother 
Raymond gets supportive honk from passing truck in lonely protest."
John Turmel, professional gambler and inveterate politician figures he 
has the answers to Canada's economic woes -- take the Bank of Canada 
to court. In response to his latest gambling conviction, the interim 
leader of the Ontario Social Credit party has filed an appeal in the 
Federal Court of Canada charging Gerald Bouey, governor of the bank, 
with operating a gaming house: "I'm trying to get him charged with the 
same thing that they charged me with." Turmel said yesterday outside 
the Portage and Main branch of the Bank of Canada. "Bouey runs a lot 
bigger game than I ever did and he's doing it with our money." Turmel, 
along with his mother and brother, was picketing the bank yesterday 
afternoon as part of his lonely economic guerrilla war against the 
Canadian banking system. Judging from the number of motorists honking 
in response to his placards "Honk if interest is criminal", 
Winnipeggers are ready to listen to any kind of solution to high 
interest rates. 
Turmel has run in 10 Ontario elections in the last two years; federal, 
provincial and municipal. He has lost them all, but he says he's not 
discouraged. As a gambler, he figures the odds will come around 
eventually. "Stiff the bank." Several motorists honked their horns in 
support. "I took a gambling course when I was in engineering at 
Carleton University in Ottawa. I know all about it. People are 
beginning to listen." Turmel, who has already served a short jail 
sentence for gambling, said he finances his political career through 
gambling. He won't say how much he earns each year, but he does allow 
that he doesn't have to work much. 
"I do remember taking $19,000 off this millionaire once. I guess that 
was my biggest win." Turmel said he was taking his message across 
western Canada in an attempt to gain the nomination as leader of the 
federal Social Credit party. He said response, especially in Alberta, 
has been very encouraging. "The people of Canada are tired of being 
cheated. They want economic policies that make sense." Turmel 
"sensible" policy essentially is this: replace the chartered banking 
system with a barter system where interest rates abolished. Utilizing 
computer systems, Turmel says "Electronic exchanges" will make paper 
exchange and the resulting interest rates unnecessary. "My social 
credit computer provides the very best kind of labour exchange through 
a work based barter system. It provides interest-free liquidity for 
goods and services and real estate offered for trade through 
electronic and paper mediums of exchange where one credit is worth one 
dollar. "When we do our banking right in the stores from point-of-sale 
terminals, the chartered banks, with only terminals and no products, 
will be made redundant. 
Turmel says a first step to undermining the banks' "strangle-hold on 
the economy", he was encouraging Canadians to "stiff their banks" or 
refuse to pay loans. "My brother stiffed his bank on a $4000 loan. 
Sure a contract was signed. But if something is physically impossible 
like paying 20% interest rates, then a contract can't be binding." 
Turmel, enfant terrible of our current economic mess, grinned wickedly 
as another passing motorist leaned long and hard on his horn. As we're 
all beginning to find out in this country, you just can't pay 
something that isn't there.
Ottawa Citizen, CP
Popular message
Winnipeg -- John Turmel, interim leader of the Ontario Social Credit 
Party and a convicted professional gambler, says he wants to take the 
Bank of Canada to court. Turmel says he has filed an appeal at the 
Federal Court of Canada charging Gerald Bouey, governor of the Bank of 
Canada, with operating a gaming house: "I'm trying to get him charged 
with the same thing they charged me with." Turmel was picketing the 
Bank of Canada's Winnipeg bank with his mother and brother with signs 
saying "Stiff the bank." Several motorists honed their horns in 
Canadian Press
TORONTO -- John Turmel, an unsuccessful independent candidate in the 
Aug. 17 Spadina federal by-election, is worried that his involvement 
in a fight at an all-candidates meeting last month may ruin his 
chances to become the leader of the national Progressive party.
Turmel, who says he now is running for the leadership of the party, 
said Tuesday he has been mistakenly as the one who started the fight. 
He doesn't want it know he beats people up, he said. "I can beat them 
up intellectually." 
Turmel said that moderator William Nelson pushed him off the stage a 
one point during the meeting. Turmel said he got back up on stage and 
when Nelson pushed from behind, he extended his leg so that Nelson's 
own force caused him to fall off the stage. 
Nelson, a University of Toronto history professor, said Tuesday that 
the incident began when Turmel grabbed a microphone. "So far as 
pushing first, I think he (Turmel) is right," Nelson said. "But I 
think it could be argued that grabbing the microphone was at fault 
under the law." 
Nelson added that "both of use may be wrong" saying that he has heard 
varying accounts of the incident from people at the meeting.
Toronto Star
Turmel seeks PC leadership after his Spadina defeat
Picture & caption: John Turmel: His new goal is leadership of Canada's 
Progressive Conservatives
There's a lot of push-and-shove during election campaigns. Just ask 
John Turmel. You remember, he ran against Jim Coutts and Dan Heap in 
the Spadina federal election Aug. 17 ultimately won by Dan Heap.
Turmel was the fellow with the construction hat that somehow landed on 
(or under, no one's quite sure) the moderator during an all-
candidates' meeting. He doesn't want it thought he beats up people, he 
said. "I can beat them up intellectually." His goal now is the 
national leadership of the Progressive Conservative party from which 
he'd like to give Joe Clark the quick heave.
Ottawa Citizen
Economic Intervention
C.P. photo of Ray tailing Chretien with the `Bouey, King of White 
Collar Crime' sign.
Justice Minister Jean Chretien talks to reporters Monday after the 
Supreme Court ruled on the constitution, but a protester's sign 
indicates he would prefer to talk about the economy. It's a barb 
against the Bank of Canada's policy of setting high interest rates to 
protect the dollar.`
Globe & Mail, Brian Laghi
11 Faithful show up to pick new leader of Ontario Socreds
Eleven party members showed up for an Ontario Social Credit party 
convention on the weekend and elected a new leader, but the party's 
former head has charged his fellow members with calling a crooked 
meeting. "It was crooked meeting ... They called it and invited all of 
their own people so I wouldn't get re-elected," said former leader 
John Turmel. The eleven members who represent about 100 party members 
throughout the province, elected former Toronto mayoral candidate Anne 
McBride as their new leader in a vote of 7 to 1. The ballots of Mr. 
Turmel, his brother Ray and his mother were spoiled. The three 
scrawled "unconstitutional" across them. "They're supposed to give 4 
months notice before they can call a leadership convention. That's the 
law of the land and that's why I think it's unconstitutional," Mr. 
Turmel said. However, Bruce Arnold, party vice-president said "The 
week-end vote was called only to elect an interim leader until the 
party can organize the convention next April. Mr. Arnold was the only 
other candidate to run for the leadership, gaining 1 vote.
Mr. Turmel calls himself a professional gambler and banking systems 
engineer and has run in 10 elections in the past 2 years losing them 
all. He ran in Spadina and got into the news with the scuffle. Mr. 
Turmel said that if he had been elected leader, he would have lobbied 
Ottawa and the Bank of Canada to remove interest rates. Last 
September, Mr. Turmel took the Bank of Canada to court, charging that 
its governor, Gerald Bouey, was keeping a common gaming house. Mr. 
Turmel said he has been challenging the Socred establishment because 
it is soft on interest rates. 
But, Mrs. McBride said the reason for Mr. Turmel's ouster was that 
party members were upset with his economic policies. "We wish to turn 
the Ontario Social Credit into a party based on Christian principles." 
In last year's provincial election, the Socreds ran 3 candidates who, 
combined, received about 3,000 votes. So far, Mr. Turmel is the only 
party member to announce his candidacy for next spring's leadership 
Those 3,000 votes were for our boys in Ottawa. I didn't see any of 
those who resented my leadership putting a team on the ice. The guys 
on the sidelines are now in charge.
As if the party was not based on Christian principles 
London Free Press, John Hamilton
Candidate still hasn't filed return
Unrepentant gambler John Turmel is hoping to avoid a losing streak 
after he missed an extended deadline Monday for filing an expenses 
report for the April 12 federal by-election in London West. Turmel, 
30, faces a fine of up to $1,000 or a year's imprisonment or both if 
prosecuted and convicted under the Canada Elections Act. Turmel, who 
placed last out of 6 candidates won by Jack Burghart, is the only 
candidate not to have filed a report of election expenses. The 
returning officer says Turmel likely faces prosecution after failing 
to meet the deadline which had been extended. But, Turmel, interim 
leader of the Social Credit party of Ontario and who describes himself 
as a professional gambler, said from Ottawa he is confident his luck 
has not run out. He said his release Friday from a regional detention 
center in Ottawa pending an appeal of a conviction on a gambling 
charge is a sign that the cards are falling my way. 
Convicted in provincial court last Tuesday of operating a gaming 
house, Turmel opted for 21 days in jail and a $500 fine rather than a 
3 year probation and promise not to be involved in illegal gambling 
offered him by the judge. "I'm not going to stop gambling when there's 
mental arithmetic involved. The gambling I know and like is a science, 
not a game of chance." What about his expense report due Monday? "I 
really blew that one but I just got out on Friday and had been 
delayed, so I will have to go and apply for another extension. I will 
ask for it to be retroactive. I think you can do that." Turmel said 
his return still lacks one statement from his bank and he believes he 
can file a return in London within 2 weeks -- "that's if I'm still 
free." He faces another charge on Oct. 13 in Hull provincial court of 
operating a gaming house. But, Turmel, who admits to at least 4 
illegal gambling convictions and numerous confrontations with Ottawa 
police (?) he promotes casinos in the city, said "It's no in the cards 
for me to go to jail again."
London Free Press, John Hamilton
Socred given further time
The interim leader of the Social Credit party of Ontario has been 
allowed two more weeks to fine an expenses report. He was given the 
extended deadline when he appeared before Judge Gordon Killeen in 
London on Friday. Turmel faced a fine of up to $1000 or a year's 
imprisonment or both if prosecuted and convicted when he missed the 
first extended deadline. 
St. Catherines Standard, Ed McKenzie
Socred protester ejected
Three tables of dinner guests sat quietly and patiently Saturday night 
-- all except one man -- awaiting the start of what was to them an 
occasion of considerable dignity and importance. Martin Hattersley had 
come to St. Catherines. The Hattersley name might not be on 
everybody's lips but Social Credit party members know the Edmonton 
lawyer and former British army officer as their interim leader.
Judging from the enthusiastic reception he got from about 75 
supporters, Mr. Hattersley is a popular leader. But that didn't seem 
to make any difference to the dissenter who marched with a picket sign 
outside the Fairview Mall banquet hall. The sign said "Hail to the 
Cheat." The protester was John Turmel of Ottawa. He told the Standard 
he was upset because Mr. Hattersley was an unelected interim leader 
since there was no 1981 Socred convention to pass on his stewardship.
Mr. Turmel was brushed off by most of those attending but he took his 
protest inside the hall, having purchased a $10 ticket in advance. He 
sat at one of the tables, where he promptly began to make his opinions 
known in a loud voice, much to the displeasure of the event's 
organizers. They asked him to leave several times but Mr. Turmel 
refused. "Call the cops. Go ahead and call them" and eventually that's 
what was done. A burly Niagara regional police sergeant and a more 
slender but still sizable constable escorted the man from the hall. A 
few minutes later, the sergeant came back to pick up Mr. Turmel's 
white hard-hat which proclaimed him to be "The Engineer." A pamphlet 
he was passing out claimed he is "the only electrical engineer in 
Canada specialized in gambling and banking systems." 
With a dignity which befits the interim leader of a national political 
party, Mr. Hattersley ignored "The Engineer." The leader did reveal 
later in his speech that there has indeed not been a 1981 convention 
but this was a matter of economics, not a bid to give short shrift to 
the democratic process. "The party didn't have the spare $5000 cash to 
pay for the expenses of a convention," the interim leader said. Asked 
if he thought the actions of Mr. Turmel might hurt the struggling 
party perhaps giving people the impression that it's made up of people 
that should not be trusted with office, Mr. Hattersley admitted there 
was some danger of that happening. But he felt Canada's current 
economic problems are so great that far from shunning the Socreds, the 
voters might finally start paying serious attention to what they have 
to say. Social Credit calls for a major change in the way this 
nation's monetary business is handled, he explained. Mr. Hattersley 
told his audience that if things carry on as they are now going, there 
is a very real danger that we will see violent social protest, perhaps 
as early as this Christmas. Recalling with regret that the voters at 
the last federal election chose not to elect a single Social Credit 
M.P., Mr. Hattersley quoted one of the party's champions, William 
Aberhart (known as Bible Bill Aberhart when he was premier of Alberta 
from 1935 to 1943) who said that in not electing the Socreds federally 
in his day, "the people of Canada have the right to choose to suffer a 
little longer." Everyone can see that suffering now, the speaker 
maintained. Thanks to the way in which the parties which do have seats 
in the House of Commons have mishandled the economy. If Social Credit 
were elected, he stated, our present "debt system" would be ended so 
people wouldn't have to worry about high mortgage rates, inflation and 
other economic problems. Social Credit would stop banks from making 
fat profits in the form of interest. It would bring an end to the 
system under which people dig themselves out of debt by using credit 
cards. It would arrange things so that people would own their homes 
and their cars outright, not make crushing monthly payments. Mr. 
Hattersley concluded that while times might be bad for many Canadians 
today, they're potentially good for Social Credit because people will 
be receptive to its ideas at last. Now that the party is on the brink 
of a potential breakthrough with the voters, it's essential that the 
public see Social Crediters as "reliable, honest people." The audience 
soundly applauded that wind-up, and by that point, most seemed to have 
forgotten about John Turmel.
My letter to the editor:
Toronto Star Editor:
In your Sept. 23 article, it stated "his new goal is the leadership of 
Canada's Progressive Conservatives from which he'd like to give Joe 
Clark the quick heave." 
This is incorrect. I was in fact the interim leader of the Ontario 
Social Credit party seeking the leadership of the federal party. 
Notice that social credit is comprised of an adjective and a noun 
putting it a full intellectual plane above the Liberal, Progressive 
Conservative and New Democratic parties whose names are comprised of 
only adjectives which are abstract and undefined.
As an electrical engineer from one of the world's most advanced 
technological countries, Canada, I consider it a defamation of my 
intellect to suggest that I would seek the leadership of a party whose 
name has no meaning.
Another reason that the article was so unfortunate was that I was 
attacked by both Anne McBride (new interim leader) and Bruce Arnold 
for being a closet Tory. They were the two candidates for the interim 
leader position after I had been ousted. I cannot say that your 
article was the sole reason, though. The meeting had been fixed, with 
some members not having been invited, including five of the six 
candidates who presented themselves at the last provincial election. 
The party is not back in the hands of the back room gang. I wasn't 
allowed to speak to the charge and so you can see that a correction 
would go a long way towards dispelling the notion that I would slip to 
a lower intellectual level.
The news may have also upset Mr. Clark. You may assure him that I am 
not after his job. 
If I'm elected interim leader of the Social Credit Party of Canada, 
I'll raid every other party just as Joe Clark raided the Social Credit 
party. Surely there are some MPs ready to bet on the scientific 
solution when they're backed against the wall. I am,
The Social Credit Engineer
Toronto Star, CP
Tories not my party: candidate
John  Turmel, an unsuccessful independent candidate in the Spadina by-
election has denied saying he would seek the leadership of the 
national Progressive Conservative party.
Turmel, an Ottawa resident, said that he told a Canadian Press 
reporter last month he was running for the leadership of the Social 
Credit party.
Barbara Wickens, the CP reporter, said her notes show that Turmel 
referred to the leadership of the Progressive Conservative party.
Ottawa Citizen 
Alberta Premier Peter Lougheed arrives at the conference centre this 
morning. Front page picture of me in hard hat with picket sign behind 

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