Date: Tue Apr 29 11:48:59 1997
From: jholling@ccs.carleton.ca (John Hollingsworth)
Subject: Re: TURMEL: Prodding politicians
about LETS is fun
To: econ-lets@mailbase.ac.uk
JH: At 03:50 AM 29/04/97 -0400, John Turmel
wrote:
JCT: Your work in Wirral South has given
us the endorsement of one
of the Natural Law candidates which will
be of great benefit in my
approach to them during this election.
JH: I guess that if we want to weaken
the credibility of LETS further,
we could encourage the yogic flyers to
promote LETS in their campaign
literature.
JCT: Every Natural
Law candidate I ever ran against was a clean
cut health-conscious Green-minded individual
with a super-spiritual
bent. I don't know where their spirits
visit when they're oscillating
two feet off the ground and I choose not
to doubt what they feel. They
have always stated that they are for using
the best technology for
every problem but I could never pin any
Canadian candidates down to a
public endorsement of LETS like this first
UK Natural Law candidate
has done.
I find adding
another political party to the Global LETS
coalition a happy occurrence for LETS
if we can get the support of the
Maharesh Yogi, an engineer, behind us
and continue to be amazed at how
your attitude towards other peaceful membership
databases continues to
disgust me. It's typical of the Ottawa
LETS Inquisition looking into
who LETSers should not want to associate
with. Are there any other
religions out there you would like to
have excluded from using LETS
life-boats? Are there any other trades?
JCT: The fact the Liberals in Britain have
2 policy papers on LETS
might help with with our Liberals. The
fact Labour has a LETS
candidate in Uxbridge might help us with
our NDP. Of course, the
former leader of the Green Party of Canada
was one of the candidates
who signed the Canada LETS petition so
there should be no trouble
getting their endorsement once again given
the hearty BIG YES from the
UK Greens.
JH: I'm not sure that the Libs and the
NDP will be warm to a policy
from the margins that finds a welcome
home with the Natural Law Party
or the CHP.
JCT: I don't
think he gets it. I just published a message today
from Rob Follett in:
TURMEL: LETS by email soon; more LETS
politicians elected
which points out:
RF: The newly elected MP (Labour) for
the Falmouth & Camborne
constituency here in Cornwall is a member
of Falmouth LETS - the
previous incumbent, on seeing our group's
stall at a YMCA sale, went
out of his way to avoid any contact with
us whatsoever, so this must
surely be a great improvement!
JCT: This a recently
elected member of the new Government in
Labour. Labour MPs will be canvassed to
find out how many other Labour
MPs in the government are as smart as
this one.
RF: The new MP for St.Ives in Cornwall
(Lib-Dem) has done a great deal
of work in the past for local community
groups as leader of the County
Rural Community Council, and has also
attended meetings of our county
development group (Cornwall LETS Forum).
JCT: And as my
previous paragraph pointed out, the new MP for St.
Ives in Cornwall has two pro-LETS Liberal
Democrat policy papers to
show any other Liberal Democrats in the
third largest party.
I would bet that
there are some LETS supporters in the Tory party
and when I've gotten all the labour MPs
to admit that the Labour
candidates for Uxbridge and Falmouth Camborne
were right in endorsing
LETS, I wonder how long it will take,
with the backing of the Liberal
Democrats, the Greens, the Islamic Party,
the Natural Law Party, the
21st Century Independent Foresters, for
the Labour Government not to
deliver National LETS.
I myself find
this exhilarating. To think that there are Labour
MPs in Government who are already using
LETS as an anti-poverty
machine in their ridings taking this knowledge
to Parliament. Surely
many will see the bigger picture when
it's presented in front of their
face.
JCT: There is a good chance that the Christian
Heritage party which
signed the petition the last time will
sign it again.
JH: That's a shame, given how reactionary
and fascistic the CHP is.
JCT: How horrible
to tag a peaceful Christian group of anti-
abortion Bible thumpers with such a fascistic
tag. I have ran against
Christian Heritage party candidates for
years and every single one of
them was a pleasant, family-oriented person.
Actually, in
all my years of running in elections, I have never
met a candidate not serious about something
or other than needed
correcting. Even our Rhinocerous Party,
the equivalent of Screaming
Lord Sutch's Monster Raving Loony Party,
hit home with the message
that even clowns couldn't do any worse
than the circuses that keep
getting elected.
So, again, while
I've always found Natural Law and Christian
Heritage to share a large subset of family
and health values, I've
never found where they differ to be a
problem and warmly welcome their
support of LETS for all.
JH: As I can tell from my current vantage
point as a LETS sysadmin,
the religious right is becoming a bit
of a problem for us here in
Ottawa of late.
JCT: The religious
right is becoming a problem to the token
cashiers. This I'd like to hear.
JH: The last thing I want to see is the
Gawd-and-women-in-the-home
bible belters expounding LETS.
JCT: No. You
don't want anti-abortion activists expounding LETS.
I've met none who as you suggest would
be as backward as to not have
accepted equality with their women-folk
long ago. But still, here's
another group who should be excluded from
using LETS according to John
Hollingsworth, High Priest of the Ottawa
LETS Inquisition.
JH: Especially as a number of CHPers who
are critical of the "money
system" tend to view it in terms of an
international conspiracy of
Jewish-communist-bankers.
JCT: I'd note
that you're the second to make an anti-semitic
allegation against someone for liking
LETS. Actually, I
used to joke that the Christian Heritage
Party were in favor of usury
because that was the last word I got out
of one of their earlier
leaders. Only last year, in 1996, did
I manage to convince my first
Christian Heritage candidate about the
importance of LETS monetary
reform. Tristan Emmanuel was the first
ever and his support was based
on liking LETS and not on who or who might
not be running the present
killer system.
By the way, I
do believe in clandestine communications between
the world's top millionaires to manipulate
the money system to their
advantage. That anyone would be so foolish
to think that that it is
the exclusive monopoly of race when it's
the exclusive monopoly of a
profession, bankers, all bankers, Jewish
ones, Chinese ones, Muslim
ones, African ones, they run the world
to their advantage. But they're
losing the monopoly on the creation of
credit upon which based is
their advantage.
Finally, I keep
stressing that it's okay for all Nazis and Jews
and Muslims and Presbyterians to all like
and use LETS together. I
will oppose the exclusion from LETS life-boats
of anyone for any
reason.
JH: This is not to take away from the important
work that some are
doing promoting LETS among more mainstream
and tolerant religious
communities.
JCT: Back-pedal
a couple of paces after a mouthful of fascist and
anti-semitic innuendoes. Not good enough.
JCT: Even Communists should like LETS.
Today's capitalism is not all
good. Communism is not all bad. LETS is
the synthesis where everyone
gets to be a capitalist. Communistic capitalism
or Capitalistic
Communism.
JH: Some people describe MLM schemes in
the same way, i.e. "where
everyone gets to be a capitalist".
JCT: I don't
know too many people to stupid to see the difference
between LETS, a token system, and MLM,
a system user. Since I already
explained the difference between tokens
and users in previous posts, I
wonder if I should spend more time with
John in the remedial class.
JH: Although the CPC is not a player in
the federal election, I can't
see them endorsing "communistic capitalism"
or "capitalistic
communism" (whatever that is).
JCT: And I'll
bet that communists will see the inherent fairness
in the LETS economic system and claim
it as the fulfillment of their
own design. Only with a freer bent.
John Hollingsworth
(613) 234-1237
Ottawa, CANADA
1-333 James St. K1R 5M8
Institute of Political Economy
Carleton University
JCT: You have
have to be one of the most pessimistic, obnoxious,
ignorant and erroneous people I've ever
met. Fortunately, unlike your
buddy McOrmond, you haven't lied. This
is really how you think. I'm
sad for you. You must lead a miserable
life. Every time Pauline and I
read about new membership databases starting
sprout LETS supporters,
Pauline and I jump for joy. This guy spends
his time thinking of how
to not associate with them. Could this
be the attitude of the
Institute of Political Economy at my alma
mater, Carleton University?
Of course, I
was in the Engineering Building and never learned to
think like John. I think I'd rather jump
for joy rather than slander
the goy. Jews have no reason for worry
about the Christian Heritage
people I've ever met.
I bet John Hollingsworth's
nasty allegation is false.