Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables? ANSWER
The challenge
was:
Christ said:
"I speak in parables
because ""To everyone who has abundance
will more be given but from him who has
no abundance, even what
he has will be taken away.""
What is the differential
equation?
What is a one
word description?
Where "B" is the
original amount, "i" is the rate of
increase and "t" is time, the differential
equation for the
phrase is:
dB
--- = i * B
dt
The d stands for
"delta" or "change."
So "dB" is the
amount of change in the Balance.
So "dt" is the
amount of change in the time.
So the rate of
change of your bank balance over time equals
"i * B," the interest rate times the balance.
Pretty obvious and
simple, actually.
Stephen Froelich
came the closest with:
dB
--- = (B-c) * B
dt
He determined
that the structure of the solution was that of
a first order differential equation where
the rate of change of
the balance was a percentage of the balance
and only missed that
the factor was "i" rather than "B-c."
Stephen Froehlich
<froehlik@physics.utexas.edu> had written
that for i = 10% and balance x:
>dx/dt = .1x
>
>dx/.1x = dt
>t = 10ln(x) + c
>.1*t - c = ln(x)
>x = exp(.1*t - c)
> = C * exp(.1*t)
>
I agreed with
every step but the last and said the "c"
couldn't be moved out of the exponent
like that. Of course, he is
correct if C=exp(c) which is a constant
and equal to 1 if c=o.
Acceptable one
word descriptions of the system would have
been:
"Usury" system
"Interest" system
"Loan-sharking"
system
"Money-lending"
system
"Banking" system
Now everybody's heard
the lament "The rich get richer and
the poor get poorer." It is the one inexorable
law of economics
and that "gives more to those who have
abundance and takes away
from those who have no abundance." Think
about it. Those with
abundance get richer and those with no
abundance get poorer. That
ugly rule of our world's civilization
is why he spoke in
parables so the Masters wouldn't understand.
If the interest
rate is 10% and the time is 1 year and
a) your balance
is +100, the change in your balance over 1
year is 10% of +100 which equals +10 for
a new balance of +110.
b) your balance
is -100, the change in your balance over 1
year is 10% of -100 which equals -10 for
a new balance of -110.
So to those who
have +100 abundance will be given 10 more
and from those who have -100 abundance
will be taken away 10.
As Melvin Klassen
previously explained, the equation for the
end result is exp(x) where x>0 and more
precisely exp(it).
Exp(it) means
that your balance will exponentially double
and double in time. In the previous example,
you deposit +100
After 1 year, you'll have 10.00 more
for a balance of 110.00
After 2 years, you'll have 11.00 more
for a balance of 121.00
After 3 years, you'll have 12.10 more
for a balance of 133.10
After 4 years, you'll have 13.31 more
for a balance of 146.41.
After 5 years, you'll have 14.64 more
for a balance of 160.05.
After 6 years, you'll have 16.00 more
for a balance of 176.05.
After 7 years, you'll have 17.60 more
for a balance of 194.01.
After 8 years, you'll have 19.40 more
for a balance of 213.81.
To those who have abundance will more be given.
If you borrow -100.
After 1 year, you'll owe -10.00 more
for a balance of -110.00
After 2 years, you'll owe -11.00 more
for a balance of -121.00
After 3 years, you'll owe -12.10 more
for a balance of -133.10
After 4 years, you'll owe -13.31 more
for a balance of -146.41.
After 5 years, you'll owe -14.64 more
for a balance of -160.05.
After 6 years, you'll owe -16.00 more
for a balance of -176.05.
After 7 years, you'll owe -17.60 more
for a balance of -194.01.
After 8 years, you'll owe -19.40 more
for a balance of -213.81.
To those who have
no abundance, even what they have will be
taken away.
This demonstrates
quite well what's called the "rule of 72."
Divide 72 by
the percent interest and that's approximately
the number of years it will take to double,
and double, and
double, etc. That's what's called an exponential
At 10%, it should
take about 7.2 years to double, as shown.
At 5%,
it should take about 14.4 years to double.
At 24%, it should
take about 3 years to double.
So Christ said:
"I speak in parables
because "Interest makes the rich get
richer and the poor get poorer." So Christ
certainly was in
agreement with the saints in the Old Testament
who found usury
the greatest sin in the Bible, the proverbial
Yoke of Oppression.
I can't think of anything more unfair
that taking subsistence
from the poor to give to the rich who
already have more than
enough. Can anyone find anything meritorious
about such a system?
The differential
equation can be converted to the Laplace
Transformation which equals 1/(s-i). With
this Laplace
Transformation, we can draw the control
system, the electrical
blue-print of the system Christ was talking
about. Any third-year
engineering student could draw the control
system given the
Laplace Transformation.
I'm going to try
my best to draw the control system and
explain how it works for you.
1
CONTROL SYSTEM FOR -----
s-i
|----------------|
| Interest = 10% |
|<---| Rate
|<---------|
| |----------------|
|
|
| Old
|
|<-----------| Balance
|
| |
+ |
+ | |
|------------| |------------|
|
Input + | Addition
| + | Addition | New |
---------->| Node
|------>| Node |--------------->
|------------| |------------| Balance
Your $100 volt
pulse is the input to the first addition
node. Added to it is the interest voltage
from the last balance
which, to start, was 10% of zero. The
new net $100 pulse enters
the second addition node where it also
is added to the old
balance, still zero, to push the new balance
up to $100 volts.
Next year, with
no new pulse at the input, added to this
zero voltage is 10% interest, a pulse
of 10 volts. The 10 volt
pulse goes into the second addition node
where it is added to the
old balance, 100, to push the new balance
to 110.
Cycle after cycle
with no new inputs, you have the
exponential growth exp(it) which grows
as the above series. It
acts just like bringing a microphone up
to a speaker. The sound
from the speaker is picked up by the microphone
and fed back to
make the sound out of the speaker louder
which is picked up and
fed back to make it louder until you blow
your speaker. Having an
unstable positive feedback loop built
into a system makes that
system unstable.
Negative feedback
loops where the feedback from the previous
balance is added are very useful in stabilizing
systems away from
error but positive feedback always makes
the error grow.
A physical example
of negative feedback, positive feedback
and no feedback follows:
If you have a
bowl and you put a ball in it and then give
the ball a little shove, it will travel
up one side, gravity will
bring it down and it will rock back and
forth until it settles
back to the middle. That's how engineers
use negative feedback to
bring back things which have been pushed
out of normal operation
back to normal.
If you turn the
bowl upside down and put the ball at the
top, one small push and the gravity will
make the ball fall
faster and faster. That's unstable.
If you put the
ball on a platform and give it a push,
without friction, it will just continue
in rolling steady state.
Both zero and
negative feedback are unacceptable while
positive feedback is always unstable.
Engineers say
that systems are stable if the pole of the
system is in the left-hand plane or on
the origin but unstable if
the pole is in the right-hand plane.
Knowing that
the Laplace Transform of the system is 1/(s-i),
the denominator is zero when s=+i and
therefore, the pole is on
the right-hand side of the origin, hence
unstable.
What is most interesting
is that the differential equation
given by Christ as the reason he spoke
in parables represents
your bank account in a usury-banking system!
Imagine, Christ
spoke in parables because of the usury
banking system which was ruling the world
in his day as it does
in ours. It is the system upon which the
Master-Slave
relationship is perpetuated. There are
the Masters who collect
interest and there are the Debt Slaves
who pay it.
You'll notice
now that the usury differential equation is in
both the parables of the Talents and Minas
where the master
enforces usury, both slaves stiff him
for his interest and are
punished, one by being thrown into the
alley of poverty where men
weep and gnash their teeth and the other
by being executed.
Most misinterpretations
say the master who is committing the
sin of usury is rightfully executing the
slothful slave who
returned only the principal of his money
with no interest when
all he had to do was take the easy way
out and deposit his
Master's money with the bankers to get
his Master his interest.
So the reason the story hasn't been excised
from the Bible is
because the Masters have misinterpreted
this parable thinking it says
it's okay for them to exact usury when
in reality it is the Debt
Slaves rising up against the system that
is oppressing them. .
I'd point out
two of the most important passages of the
Bible which have been excised or changed.
In Nehemiah,
when the people were complaining about the
mortgages, taxes and slavery, Nehemiah
told the rulers:
1) "You are exacting
usury.
2) Let the exacting
of usury stop.
3) Give them
back your illicit spoils."
Nehemiah points
out the problem, the solution and the
atonement.
But new versions
of the Bible only have
1) "You are exacting
usury.
3) Give them
back your illicit spoils."
They have dropped
the solution. Even if they give back the
illicit spoils but don't stop the drain
from the poor to the
rich, the problem will again grow out
of hand.
This is the greatest
deletion that the Masters' publishing
houses have done to our latest Bibles.
The second major
change is in the Lord's prayer where the
Masters' publishing houses have gotten
people to think that it
is:
"Forgive us our
trespasses as we forgive those who have
trespassed against us."
The true version
of the Lord's Prayer in older Bibles is
"Forgive us our
debts as we forgive our debtors."
That's a major
difference. When I've lent money to a debtor,
I don't consider that a trespass against
me.
And I do consider
a forgiveness of debt as the key to Heaven
on Earth.
After all, Christ
did say "Lend expecting nothing in
return," so how could those he lent to
now be considered to have
trespassed against him.
If people accept
that "To everyone who has abundance will
more be given but from him who has no
abundance, even what he has
will be taken away" means "usury" or "loan-sharking,"
Christ's
assault on the money-lenders in the temple
makes a lot more
sense.
So remember that
interest, which takes from the poor who
have no spare to give to rich who have
more than they need, is
the greatest evil afflicting mankind and
is responsible for all
the crime, suicide, desperation, that
we see in the world today.
People have asked
what this has to do with taxes. Our
governments are Debt Slaves to the Master
Bankers and collect
interest from us to pay them interest
when they could run the
money system themselves and not collect
those taxes to service
debt.
And interest-free
banking system would look like a Poker
chip bank. People would pledge their collateral,
houses, oil,
wheat, services, and get chips with which
to do trade.
In a Toronto
Sun article dated Oct. 4, 1993, Walter Stewart
points out the problem and the solution:
"The way it works today,
almost all of our money supply is
created by the banks as interest-bearing
debt, with them on the
receiving end.
We can't solve
the deficit crisis thus created by slashing
expenditures or raising taxes, because
these measures bring the
economy crashing to a halt.
The idea is that
central governments should take back from the
banks the crucial role of creating money,
thus restoring sovereignty
to the state.
The government
should direct the Bank of Canada to issue credit
at low- or no-interest for building capital
projects. This is what the
Bank of Canada did during World War II
with great success.
The solution,
then, appears to be to substitute low- or no-
interest public funds for high-interest
private money.
Various levels
of government could borrow this newly-created
money to retire high-interest loans."
He also noted
that Guernsey Island uses their own interest-
free money system and have no unemployment,
low inflation, low
taxes. Pretty good proof of what life
could be like without
$1,800 Billions paid in debt service by
our governments (Fraser
report).
There are also
several historical examples of government use
of interest-free currency. Early Rome
used Aes Grave copper
currency, the British used Tallies between
1100 and 1700,
Colonial America used Continentals which
were praised by Benjamin
Franklin, Lincoln used "Greenbacks." These
were successful
government issued currencies.
Of course, another
interest-free non-government currency was
North American Indian "wampum" where each
Indian could issue his
own promissory bead worth a hide or a
horse. This is how the
Greendollar LETS system works. Each member
has the right to issue
Greendollars to start a transaction by
going negative while the
goods or service provider goes positive.
The working model is the
Greendollar system which is now spreading
around the world.
There are many
Greendollar LETS sites:
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http://www.u-net.com/gmlets/users/tml/tml.html"
http://www.u-net.com/gmlets/directry/home.html
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Ithaca
http://peg.apc.org/~gmorris
http://inet.nttam.com/HMP/PAPER/136/abst.html
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Finally, Christ
does tell us how abundance should be dealt
with in Paul Corr II 8:14.
"Your abundance
should at the present time be a supply for
their want so that later, their abundance
may be a supply for
your want. In that way, he who gathers
much doesn't have too much
and he who gathers little doesn't have
too little."
Sure sounds friendlier
than:
"To those who
have abundance will more be given and from
those who have no abundance, even what
they have will be taken
away."
So it was given
unto his disciples to understand how the
secret of the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth
was the elimination of
loan-shark usury but the Masters would
never understand.
I think it's for
that reason Christ spoke in parables so
that the Masters would be forever "hearing
without hearing and
seeing without seeing because their hearts
have grown cold."
Unfortunately, many of the Debt Slaves
also cannot hear or see.
This is easily
understood when one understands that usury
creates a kind of musical chairs game
with money. Everybody
borrows 10 and everybody owes 11 and not
everyone can survive and
someone must always get knocked out of
this elimination game.
An elimination
game is a "death-gamble" while the French word
for "death" is "mort" and for "gamble"
is "gage." Mort-gage is a
death-gamble caused by usury on the contract.
If anyone has
ever played musical chairs, they know that it
is counter-productive to help anybody
else. The same applies to
musical chairs with money.
When the butcher's
competition across town goes under, he
cheers. Not because the other butcher's
kids are now going hungry
but rather that his children are not.
Playing musical
chairs with money does make men's hearts
grow cold and once used to the game, they
can never believe that
it's possible to have a game where there's
a chair for everybody.
But just as adding
sufficient chairs to the game of musical
chairs and making the number of chairs
equal to the number of
players would make the game much less
vicious, so too,
eliminating the interest and making the
debt equal the money
borrowed would also make the economic
game much less vicious.
And that's what
all the reports on LETS have found. People
feel "secure and love the town I'm living
in."
So, a new puzzle
which should be solvable by anyone.
Starting with the differential equation
for the problem law of
abundance, how would it be changed to
give us the differential
equation for Christ's law of abundance?
It's simpler than you
think.
In my next post,
I'll show the control system for the
Christ's system and show how it happens
to be the same control
system for the LETSystem. It would explain
why poor people are
calling it a "life-boat" in these rough
economic times.
Back in Christ's
day, there existed a world-wide gold
bullion cartel of money-lenders which
ruled from Asia to Great
Britain. Those bankers ruled the whole
world through their
slavery system.
If a ruler gave
them a hard time, they financed his enemies
and he was deposed.
It's sad to think
that our high-tech world is still ruled by
the same Debt Slavery system from antiquity.
The failure of
civilizations to realize that you can't pay
11 when you only got 10 is the saddest
sight possible. A system
of taking from the poor to give to the
rich is still going on and
encircles the whole globe.
It's quite a
realization to think that the International
Bankers are the current Masters while
Kings and Presidents to
Judges and Bailiffs are nothing but lackeys
to the Money
Aristocracy.
And they are
so powerful that the only way to save ourselves
will be with their permission.
That's why I
think a policy of Amnesty, Anonymity from the
lowliest Third World torturer to the highest
First World banker
with the financial Security of the Greendollar
credit line is the
only way out.
I noticed a real
miserable episode recently. Someone posted
a few short pleasant thoughts relating
to the Bible and the boo-
birds came to life. "Take it somewhere
else," "stop wasting our
band-width," was their common refrain.
If this band-width
they're so concerned about conserving
were needed for their more important thoughts,
I might understand
but they don't contribute very much other
than carping themselves
and their discourteous comments chased
that correspondent away.
Anyone who enjoyed a short break from
unpleasant topics now has
to looking for them elsewhere. It's just
their contribution to
making everyone's life as miserable as
their own.
These arm-chair
quarterbacks object to anyone saying "I
believe this" or " I have done that".
Having offered nothing
themselves, they think it's boasting.
Nevertheless, I'm going to
take some band-width to pay homage to
Jesus and if the boo-birds
don't like, let them go carp elsewhere.
I'd always suspected
that Christ was not some poor dude
rising up against the "yoke of oppression."
Lots of slaves have
done that. against the "mort-gage"
"death-gamble". For his
sacrifice to be as spectacular as his
disciples found it to be, I
always figured he had to have been a rich
guy who chose to go
with the debt slaves rather than the debt
masters. Usury, Yoke of
Oppression, Genocide by poverty.
There were some
clues as to his wealth. He never seemed to
need for money. He had a one-piece robe,
so valuable that they
gambled for it rather than cut it up.
But that's small potatoes.
Imagine you're
born on a night when a super nova becomes
visible right over your place. Three kings
happen to be in your
neighbourhood and think that makes you
special. They compete with
each other to load you down with gold
and valuable gifts. Dad
invests it for you at the prevailing 30+
% interest rate making
your trust fund double every couple of
years. How rich do you
think you will be when you come of age?
If you get the trust fund
when you turn 30, it will have doubled
at least 12 times and been
magnified 4,000 times! The "miracle" of
compound interest.
In 1992, books
on the Dead Sea Scrolls started coming out
and I read "Jesus and the riddle of the
Dead Sea Scrolls by
Barbara Thiering. She mentions that not
only was Mary from the
line of David but so was Joseph, a pretender
to the throne from
the line of David. But Jesus was technically
disqualified from
being the Crown Prince because Joseph
and Mary were living
common-law at the time and inheritance
rules were pretty tough in
those days. So even though he no father
listed on his birth
certificate, he had some claim to the
throne. Quite a story.
It would explain
why Herod, who wasn't Jewish, was so
unhappy to find out about a birth from
the line of David and his
slaughter of the young lads from Bethlehem
trying to get rid of a
real pretender to his throne. It would
also explain his affluence
and his understanding of how usury works
from the point of view
of the rich.
How he came to
hang around with poor people and preach
against the debt yoke that was oppressing
them, I can't say but I
do give him credit for accurately stating
usury's differential
equations and knowing what he was talking
about when he kept
condemning interest rates. Interest rates
are mentioned four
times in the New Testament: "To those
who have abundance will
more be given and to those who have no
abundance, even what they
have will be taken away."
Interest gives
more to those who have spare and takes away
from those who don't have enough. The
rich get richer, the poor
get poorer. Reverse Robin Hood. Hardly
something you'd expect him
to be in favor of. There's good argument
he was against taking
from the poor to give to the rich: "You're
abundance should at
the present time be a supply for their
want so that their
abundance may later be a supply for your
want. In that way, he
who gathers much doesn't have too much
and he who gathers little
doesn't have too little. That there may
be equality."
It's interesting
that it does not talk of equality of wealth
but equality of opportunity with charitable
use of the abundance
boiling down to "Lend expecting nothing
in return."
So here's the
Crown prince stirring up the debt slaves with
talk of "forgiving our debts as we forgive
our debtors" (the real
words in the Our Father prayer, not "trespasses,"
a major
distortion). It must have really upset
the Money Masters of that
time. They tried to buy him off with the
Crown but he refused and
led a protest against the money-lenders.
This was not Jesus with
a whip busting up a few tables as often
depicted. In those days,
when usurers foreclosed on the house,
they foreclosed on the
owners and their families and had bouncers
to handle their slaves
and private prisons. Either Christ really
beat all those bouncers
with a whip by himself or he led a general
uprising of the debt
slaves and quite a riot took place.
Within days, the
premier warrior for abolition of the
mortgage death-gamble was sold out, tried
and crucified. The
Crown prince was put to death for assault
on the usurers which
shows where the hidden power really was
and still remains.
He was not a revolutionary
in an ordinary war. He died in
the war to end all wars, ARMAGEDDON, the
primordial conflict
between the Keepers and the Abolitionists
of the mortgage death-
gamble. He had the choice of being king
of the Moneylenders and
instead chose to give up his life as a
message of opposition to
the yoke of mort-gage oppression making
his sacrifice one of the
most selfless humanitarian gestures in
the history of social
reform.
Finally, I'm disappointed
that the engineer from McGill
couldn't figure out the equation even
though the Laplace
Transformation gave him all the information
he needed. Though he
might want to denigrate my Carleton University,
the fact remains
that he couldn't even handle some of the
basics even though a
Physics student could.
The only question
remaining is whether McGill is a lousy
university, whether he's a lousy engineer,
or whether he was
brain-washed by taking economics.
Check out my next
articles for more:
Bible poem which
has lots of what you've read here.
Bank poem which
has more of what you've read here.
LETS press about
how Greendollars follow Christ's equation.
As fighting the
money-lending industry makes news, I'll also
publish information on my efforts starting
with an article on me
from the "Anthology of Great Canadian
Characters" and 800k worth
of press clippings on my activities.
I would explain
that when I am referred to as "the gambler,"
it's because I am a professional gambler
and was the Teaching
Assistant of Canada's only Mathematics
of Gambling course at
Carleton University for four years. It's
also I often use
elementary game theory in explanations
and constantly refer to a
casino bank as a perfect model and a casino
cashier as a perfect
banker.
These stories
are quite unusual and have usually elicited
much denigration in the past so I'll ignore
them and concentrate
on answering questions from people who'd
like to know more about
how interest-free banking could save the
world.
J.C. "The Engineer" Turmel
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Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?
Stephen Froehlich <froehlik@physics.utexas.edu> wrote:
:On Sat, 8 Jul 1995, John Turmel wrote:
:
:: The Mathematical
formulae may not have been known until
:: after the existence of Christ but they
have existed for all time.
:: Would you say that algebra didn't exist
until it was discovered
:: or it wasn't known until it was discovered?
The formulae were
:: always there, only their discovery
was lacking.
:
:
John, these massive cross posts are a sign of extremely bad
:nettiquette.
:
Give me a break.
I see posts with far more conferences
included that I post to. Besides, I don't
down-load every
response that's been posted to all the
conferences because I
recognize the authors as those I've read
in previous conferences.
Don't you?
:Please restrain your posts to the revelant
groups, which
:are not prayer, christan life, ethics,
and a few others.
:
I think that
what Christ thought about the sharing of the
world's wealth of abundance is quite relevant
to prayer,
christian life and ethics.
:
Now to the rebuttal at hand. Algebra is a human construct that
:happens to jive with nature. There
is no physical basis for math, it is
:something we have made up. Math
is completely subjective and has no
:basis in the real world. It is
simply a very good way for us to relate
:to it.
:
So aliens don't
add like we do? Multiply? Divide? I'm sorry
but no matter the construct, we all have
to do it the same. So
call that learning "Truth" or the "Holy
Ghost" but it's the same
everywhere.
:: :B) Not everyone subscribes to
the "truth" which you indicate
:: :exists as a matter of simple scholarly
pursuits;
::
:: I haven't
even told them my "truth" yet so why would they
:: already be not subscribing?
:
:
You've told us quite enough, thank you.
:
I don't think
it's optimal to hear half an argument and
decide you've heard enough.
:Math does not describe relationships between
God and Man.
:(Unless you want to get into infinities,
but that's only one
:small aspect of the relationship.)
:
Boolean algebra
might be applicable in contemplating how the
set of man's characteristics may intersect
with the set of
characteristics God might smile on.
:God is eternal, and outside of time. Therefore
time deravites do
:not apply.
:
Do not apply
to what? Time derivatives do apply to Christ's
message about the monetary situations
he was talking about. Time
derivatives apply to life God created.
:: If Christ's
statement is the truth, how can the fact it
:: resides in the New Testament suggest
that it not be taken as
:: fact?
:
:
The problem is that Christ's statement is one of many, and your
:statement has little to do with the big
picture. Indeed, he spoke of
:spiritual gifts, which cannot be measured.
Parables have nothing to do
:with money outside of the form of some
of them.
:
My statement
has everything to do with the Big Picture
Christ saw. He was not talking of spiritual
gifts in the parables
of the Talents and the Minas. He was talking
about "interest" and
the differential equation of how interest
in Bank Accounts work.
:: Who says
religion can't be based on true science too?
:
:
Scientists. That's who. Science seeks to observe, classify
and
:predict. The truth is the realm
of the philosophers and theologians.
:
I'm a scientist
and I say that Religion is particularly good
when it concords with scientific knowledge
and based on Natural
Law. When Religious Law accords with Natural
Law, it is valid and
the fact it's religious does not detract
from the fact that it is
also scientifically valid. Are you saying
that because the Old
Saints in the Bible necessarily had no
understanding of advanced
science that therefore they had no understanding
of Natural Law?
:: :Differential equations? I'm no
self-proclaimed expert in
:: :differential equations,
:
:
Don't fret (whoever wrote this), there are some others of
:us around that are "experts" in DiffEq
and think this is
:bullshit.
:
Anyone with eyes
that can see and ears that can hear can see
that the differential equation defines
how interest works and the
control system is a blue-print of their
own bank account. I'm
amazed that can call this "bull-shit."
:: Besides,
Stephen Froehlich, an impartial scientist,
figured
:: out 99% of the differential equation
on his own. If he can see a
:: differential equation in the prose
too, how can you publicly
:: state that you have doubt?
:
:
(You missed an h in Froehlich. <grin:) I'd hardly call myself
:impartial. I vehemently believe
that this has nothing to do with
:Christ. But then again, impartial
scientist is a common
:delusion of our society.
:
Christ gave a
Differential Equation Christ as the reason he
spoke in parables. He spoke in parables
because of "Mal-
functioning Bank Accounts." When we go
to the parables where he
mentions "Mal-functioning bank accounts"
to see what's going on,
lo and behold, it's mort-gages, taxes,
debt slavery he's talking
about which are still afflicting our society
today. I'm amazed
that you can say that what Christ said
has nothing to do with
Christ's message.
Going over the actual passage:
>Matthew 13:10
>10 And the disciples came, and said unto
him, Why speakest thou unto
>them in parables?
>
Parables are
puzzle with a myriad of seemingly logical
interpretations but with one anchor to
reality in the bunch.
>11 He answered and said unto them, Because
it is given unto you to
>know the mysteries of the kingdom of
heaven, but to them it is not given.
>
So understanding
how to over-come Hell to create Heaven was
given unto them to understand. And it
was an understanding about:
>12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be
given, and he shall have more
>abundance: but whosoever hath not, from
him shall be taken away even
>that he hath.
>
Loan-sharking
Bank Accounts.
>13 Therefore speak I to them in parables:
because they seeing see not;
>and hearing they hear not, neither do
they understand.
>
Everybody thinks
it's normal to try to repay 11 when they
only printed 10. Their kids understand
the stupidity of the
demand but since it's the way everybody's
always done, they're
convinced that it's the only way it can
be done.
>14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy
of Isaiah, which saith, By
>hearing ye shall hear, and shall not
understand; and seeing ye shall
>see, and shall not perceive:
>15 For this people's heart is waxed gross,
and [their] ears are dull
>of hearing, and their eyes they have
closed; lest at any time they
>should see with [their] eyes, and hear
with [their] ears, and should
>understand with [their] heart, and should
be converted, and I should
>heal them.
>
And playing an
elimination game of musical chairs with money
and poverty and death for the losers makes
men's hearts grow very
cold.
>16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they
see: and your ears, for they
>hear.
>
Blessed are the
ones who understand the danger of Bank
Accounts.
>17 For verily I say unto you, That many
prophets and righteous [men]
>have desired to see [those things] which
ye see, and have not seen [them];
>and to hear [those things] which ye hear,
and have not heard [them].
>
And how the system
usury works is a wonder to behold. But it
starts with the "Miracle Equation."
Two readers pointed
out that in exponential functions, the
debt grows multiplied by exp(it) while
the volume of money
remains unity.
This means there
with 1 unit of money to spend and exp(it)
prices on the store shelves, we can buy
$1 out of $exp(it). The
remainder is 1 - 1/exp(it) or 1 - exp(-it)
which cannot be sold
is that ratio of businesses get foreclosed
upon and the
collateral confiscated.
In simple algebra,
for U= ratio of losers foreclosure, P =
principal, I = interest increased debt,
it's I/(P+I).
For a 20% interest
rate, 20%/120% means 1/6 get knocked out
so the other 5/6 can survive.
For a 100% interest
rate where everybody had to come up with
double, 100% / 200% means half get knocked
out so the other half
can survive.
:: Rome was
just another national empire within the orbit of
:: the world-wide gold-bullion-brokers
empire stretching from Europe
:: to Asia just as every nation on Earth
today is under the control
:: of a Global Banking cartel. All nations
are enslaved by the same
:: device to the same group.
:
:
Rome didn't thrive on Gold. It thrived on Iron. It thrived
on
:Grain. Money was an exchange system
the same as it is now. (They did
:have banks and interest earning accounts
back then: it was very
:similar to what it is today.)
:
I say that the
early Roman State used interest-free Aes
Grave copper money, Stephen tries to tell
you it works like today
where governments borrow from private
banks at interest. Well I
agree that the Roman State eventually
lost control of the
creation of their money which accounts
for their decline but I'm
sure that they initially used interest-free
Aes Grave money which
accounts for their rise.
:: :To attribute modern mathematical theorums
to those times
:: :related by the "testaments" written
about that time (centuries
:: :after the fact, actually) is sheer
folly.
::
:: Oh, so
what was true in the past is necessarily not true
:: anymore? I have to disagree. The root
cause of poverty and
:: slavery then is still the root cause
of poverty and slavery now.
:: That's why Stephen Froehlich has a
science degree and you don't.
:: He didn't treat it like sheer folly.
:
:
Actually, it is shear folly in my mind. I was simply tired of
:waiting for you to write down an equation.
I also think that this
:"scripturally based" new currency system
you're thinking of has nothing
:to do with scripture. To say that
a new currency system is "Christian"
:while another isn't is heretical.
:
If one system
delivers poverty, slavery and death while the
other delivers abundance, freedom and
life, I don't see why
saying the life-boat system is heretical.
I think it's
sad that your mind see this as "sheer folly."
You've seen the mathematical equation
is Christ's words and
refuse to see. It's almost as if the math
part of your brain has
been separated from the emotional part.
:: Not all
currencies were based upon valuable metals. The
:: original Roman Empire used fiat Aes
Grave copper money. Many
:: other fiat currencies were based on
clay, leather, etc. Actually,
:: the very best money has no intrinsic
value at all. Credit in a
:: bank's computer is working all over
the world now and how much
:: intrinsic value resides in the deposit
in your bank account?
:
:
This is not the newsgroup for discussion of economic theory.
:This is a Christian newsgroup, and we'd
appreciate it if you stopped
:discussing it here. We are here
to discuss Christianity, not currency.
:
Sorry but Christ
spent major amounts of time talking about
Mal-functioning Bank Accounts. I'm amazed
that after printing up
a poem with dozens of Bible passages dealing
with usury that you
could say that money is not a relevant
topic in the Bible.
Besides, when Christ told us how to pray
to the Father, he said
to ask Him for relief from our debts.
Discussing the trivialities
of Christianity without discussing Christ's
suggestion for a
sound currency is missing the whole point
of his message.
On Mon Jul 10 12:06:29 1995, Stephen added:
:: Differential
equations can be converted into Laplace
:: Transformations from which we can draw
the control system. In my
:: next post, I will provide the control
system for your
:: consideration.
:
:
LaPlace transforms, I'm only vaguely familiar with, but I must
:say that this gets more twisted all the
time. How many LaPlace
:transforms did Christ do?
:
As far as I know,
two. The first is the usury banking system
and the second is interest-free banking
system.
:Jesus dealt with real things and real
people.
:He could care less about money except
that it represented real value, and
:could be used to feed the poor or alternately
rob them at the temple.
:Currency systems have nothing to do with
Christianity. They have
:to do with statecraft.
:
You say he couldn't
care less about money yet he told us
that the reason he spoke in a secret code
is because of the money
system. I think currency systems have
everything to do with the
secret meaning of Christianity.
:Take your theories elsewhere. I
will not post on this
:subject again. I hope others will
follow so this fizzles.
:
So you don't
want to discuss anymore. You don't want to hear
more on what you've heard or see more
on what you've seen? That's
not very open-minded of you yet, as Christ
predicted, "they will
forever be hearing without hearing and
seeing without seeing."
Keep up that attitude and you'll fit the
bill.
Besides, I don't
think you'll be able to resist keeping up
on this post. If you think about it, it's
probably the most
unique stream you've ever been involved
in.
:: How can
claiming that Christ defined not only the oppressor
:: system but also gave us a system to
save ourselves be heresy?
:
:
Because Jesus wasn't a phiosopher. He wasn't an economist.
He
:didn't have ANY theories.
:
I think Christ
was a great philosopher, a great economist
and had a great theory.
:To put Jesus in a box is heresy.
In this
:respect we're all heretics, but you've
tried to wedge Jesus the Messiah
:in to the smallest box I've ever seen.
The rest of us try to expand our
:field of vision so we can expand our
box (though we simply should set our
:conceptions free, but that is another
discussion).
:
Why? Because
solving the differential equation to identify
that Christ was fighting against the Debt
System exposes only one
meaning to his mission? World Debts are
afflicting all of us and
if using Christ's system solves that problem,
I can think of many
who will thank him for his inspiration.
Simply setting
conceptions free is the reason for all the
misinterpretations.
:You, on the other
:hand have restrained Jesus to a MATHMETICAL
EQUATION. The grammatical
:equivalent of ONE SENTENCE. I'm
from Texas, and I'm sure we could find a
:way to put you in a nice white room for
this kind of sillyness down here
:(grin).
:
There's nothing
to (grin) about. You're laughing not only at
a system that could save your life but
also a system which could
help you give up the usurious love of
money and save your soul.
:: It means
that someone recognized that Christ said he spoke
:: in parables so they wouldn't understand
because of an oppressor
:: system he defined in a differential
equation which he also used
:: in two of his parables.
:
:Matthew 7:
:(21) Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the
:kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth
the will of my Father which is in
:heaven.
:
And if you don't
switch from the usury system of abundance
to Christ's system of sharing abundance,
you'll never have
heaven either here on Earth in life or
in Heaven after death.
:(22) Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not
:prophesied in thy name? and in thy name
have cast out devils? and in thy
:name done many wonderful works? (23)
And then will I profess unto them,
:I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.
:
Prophesising
and casting out devils seem less important to him
than building a system which takes care
of the poor by sharing of
the community's abundance.
:: I don't
remember you being ignorant or insulting though
:: perhaps originally a bit skeptical
so there's no blame for you to
:: take.
:
:
Its getting to the point where I'm getting insulting. This
:really looks ridiculous. Christianity
isn't about ideologies. Please
:take them elsewhere.
:
You seem convinced
you know what Christianity is not about.
It's not about forgiveness of debt, it's
not about sharing
abundance, it's not about a mathematical
system... Just what do
you think Christianity is about?
:: I realize
that he'd like me to observe Net Courtesy when he
:: sends his raving messages but I reserve
my courtesy for those who
:: send courteous mail.
:
:
Now, that is most definitely not a Christ like policy.
:
So who said I
was into all of Christ's policies. I only
claim to follow Christ's financial policy.
Try slapping me on one
cheek and see what happens.
:: I won't
bet on my interpretation of this parable like I will
:: on the other two which quote Christ's
differential equation but I
:: always thought that parable was meant
to say that the work of
:: some is worth more to the buyer than
the work of others depending
:: on circumstances and that's what Christian
capitalism was all
:: about.
:
:
The standard intrepation is no matter when you are saved, the
:reward is the same.
:
I like that one
too. So how come many people think it
denotes Christ promoting an unfair system
where some get more
than others?
:: I believe
that in the world of the future, people who do the
:: most unpleasant jobs will be paid the
most and people who do the
:: most pleasant jobs will be paid the
least. And I think that's
:: quite fair because it lets the free
capitalist market decide.
:
:
That would take equal education, supply and demand et cetera.
:And that will never be achieved.
:
I don't think
so. I pointed out that in a proper
marketplace, the jobs will be offered
on the community bulletin
board and I'm betting that the dirty jobs
will command more pay
because they will attract less people.
The amount of education
will be nothing but the threshold qualifications
of people
applying for the job. I bet it will take
more pay to lure
electricians into fixing wiring in the
city's sewers than fixing
wires in the open air. And I think that
is just.
:: Stephen
Froehlich <froehlik@physics.utexas.edu: wrote again:
:: :dx/dt = .1x
:: Correct
for a balance=x and interest=10%
::
:: :dx/.1x = dt
:: :t = 10ln(x) + c
:: :.1*t - c = ln(x)
:: :x = exp(.1*t - c)
:: : = C * exp(.1*t)
:: I agree
with every step but the last. I assume that c=0 and
:: you can't move the "c" out of the exponent
like that. But you had
:: solved the differential equation up
to that point.
:
:c =/= C. C = exp(c). You
know how this works. If c=0, then everyone
:starts with the same amount. C=
x(0). c= ln(C) = ln(x(0))
:
You'll notice
in my previous post that I did say:
:I agreed with every step but the last
and said the "c"
:couldn't be moved out of the exponent
like that. Of course, he is
:correct if C=exp(c) which is a constant
and equal to 1 if c=o.
:
So we do agree.
I usually talk about how the individual unit
of money grows and letting C be the original
deposit or loan
handles actual numbers.
: Yes. dx/dt
= .1x has the solution x=exp(.1*t)
:
:
A solution.
:
A solution for
one unit of money.
:: It is
the reason he spoke in parables so I would think that
:: it is at the heart of his teachings.
Didn't he sympathize with
:: the poor? Wouldn't he indict a system
which takes from the poor
:: to give to the rich? Wouldn't a system
where the rich helped the
:: poor become rich too be Heaven on Earth?
:
:
What? By taking from the poor and relying on the rich to give
:freely, we will create the kingdom of
heaven.
:
You've got it
backwards. I never said we should take from
the poor and rely on the rich to give
freely. I'm not in favor of
taking or giving. I'm in favor of lending
interest-free.
Christ said "Lend
expecting nothing in return."
The rich should
bring their abundance to the cashier and
register their abundance and the poor
should borrow it and try to
pay it back.
I rarely give
to the poor. I lend and I've lent much always
hoping it helps them get on their feet
so they can pay me back.
About 15 years
ago, I lent a young broke guy $4. A couple of
years later, when I was in one of my fairly
broke periods, I was
sitting in a restaurant. The kid was at
another table with a
group. He took up a collection from his
friends and came and paid
me off. I told him he couldn't believe
how much that $4 meant to
me right at that time. That is one of
my most heart-warming
experiences in "lending expecting nothing
in return." I would say
that most people never get ahead and have
not repaid what I
loaned them but since I expected nothing
in return, it has never
bothered me.
:Most social gospel types
:are liberals, not libertarians.
As Spock would say: intruiging. In
:the US, its the tax and entitlement programs
that affect redistribution
:of wealth. The currency system
is just a way to keep track of things.
:Is it that different in Canada?
:
The currency
system
does more than just keep track of
things. Christ's currency equation would
do that but the present
currency system takes from the negatives
to give to the
positives.
:: Yes, it
is an unheard of interpretation which takes the cake
:: and you are only the second person
I know of who has solved it.
:: Why will it be so hard now to consider
what the social
:: ramifications are?
:
:
It won't. The equation is something any scientist or engineer
:can solve. I just don't think anyone
else wanted to.
:
And those who
never wanted to didn't want to know the reason
Christ spoke in parables to his meanings
were not understood.
:I don't care about the social ramifaications.
:
Christ certainly
did. So do I.
:We are talking about christian ethics
here,
:or christian philosophy, or christian
theology. Take your econmics to an
:economics group.
:
And how can you
trust Christian ethics, philosophy and
theology is you don't get to the root
of why he spoke the way he
did.
:What you speak of has nothing to do with
the teachings of Christ.
:
What he spoke
of has everything to do with the teachings of
Christ.
:I wish you and your political party the
best of luck. I, on
:the other hand, need to call my stock
broker.
:
That's right.
Keep trying to multiply your abundance while
those without abundance are starving.
And if my party is
successful, the poor will be saved from
the debt slavery with
their own interest-free credit cards whether
you think it's
Christian or not.
On Jul 10 00:17:23
1995, Paul Hook <sturmritter@delphi.com>
wrote:
:::Jesus spoke in parables because he was
following set Pharisee tradition,
:
:: I doubt it.
Christ called the Pharisees "lovers of money"
::and I can't think of a greater insult
to his memory than to call
::him a Pharisee.
:
:How true! The bottom line is that
Christ taught in parables, so
:that those who did not study the scriptures
would not know his
:message.
:Proverbs 1:7 states this quite succinctly,
"Fear of the Lord is
:the beginning of wisdom, but fools despise
wisdom and
:instruction."
<3t9gns$jgn@ionews.io.org>,
karl mamer <kamamer@io.org> in
wrote in Subject: Re: Rising Kook: TURMEL
& the differential bible
:John Turmel is a failed politician in
Toronto, Canada. He's got this
:theory that Christ spoke in not only
parables but in differential equations.
:This isn't an official nomination, but
I think Turmel is an up 'n' coming
:Kook and offers greater promise, if sufficiently
baited.
:
I think the fact
that Stephen says that any engineer could
also figure out the differential equation
means the topic isn't
as kooky as these losers think.
:: Differential
equations can be converted into Laplace
:: Transformations from which we can draw
the control system. In my
:: next post, I will provide the control
system for your
:: consideration.
::
:Exactly how old were you when your wife
and kids left you?
Mamer's wit eludes
me if there is any.
3mpa@qlink.queensu.ca (Marco Anglesio) commented:
:I've been back for all of 2 days (hi all;
bienvenue, Yves), and I've
:found my first addition to the killfile.
Thank you very much, Turmel.
:
: He who has conquered doubt and
fear has conquered failure - James Allen
:
It's obvious
that this failure hasn't conquered his doubt or
he couldn't fear what I have to say. He's
proud of what he
doesn't want to know. Not much of an achiever,
I'd say.
fche@elastic.org (Frank Ch. Eigler) wrote: :
:John Turmel (johnturmel@yahoo.com)
wrote:
:: [...]
:: :Religion is based on faith, mathematics
on true science.
:: Who says
religion can't be based on true science too?
:
:I do for example. Religion is by
definition irrational,
:while science is by definition rational.
There seems to me
:to be quite a difference.
:
I still say it's
foolish to say Religion is by definition
irrational and science is by definition
rational. I've presented
both religious and scientific arguments
and against interest
which concord and because he can't see
they've both right, he
relies on pedantic generalities. Well,
the mere fact they agree
and he can't see it means his opinion
on science is not be taken
seriously. Christ was really right when
he said that when it
comes to interest, the theme affects the
head.
One reader wrote:
:: The most important
posts are
::1) Mathematics of Debt Slavery
::2) The Third Way
:: If you can't
find them, I'll email them to you.
:
:No, I haven't seen the originals recently
on can.gov.general
:where I'm following your threads.
:Please e-mail them to me. I am making
other people curious and
:they want copies too. Thanks!
:
So not everybody
thinks Christ and Math make uninteresting
reading.
Another reader wrote on my post "Poem on Bible and Usury"
:John, keep up the good work. I don't
know a diff eq from a pile
:of cow dung, but I know a good teacher
when I see (read) one. I
:enjoyed your posts on the parables and
this poem.
As long as some
readers appreciate the slant on money I
present, all the boo-birds in the world
won't discourage me. So
why keep sending the insulting posts which
merely indicate that
you can't keep up with the crowd who do?
At least it makes for
some interesting rebuttals for reposting.
Any bets Marco
Anglesio didn't kill-file my name and he's
reading this?
John C. Turmel, B. Eng.
---
Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?
Baldeggle@aol.com wrote:
:John! IMHO you have proven two things
in your posts on parables:
:
:1) The Bible has a mathematical exactness
and a scientific
:precision to it.
:
That's was my
impression too. I couldn't believe how many of
the saints in the Old Testament had figured
out that the flaw in
their society was usury.
Then, I was amazed
when I reconized a mathematical equation
in Christ's parables. And he stated the
D.E. four times to boot.
Twice he stated it in parables about interest.
Many people think
that the parables are about physical
frailties but they're really about interest
and within the same
story, he also describes interest in its
D.E.
Since it fits
in with my game theoretical equation for the
LETSystem, I have to conlude that barter-made-easy
with interest-
free electronic accounting units are set
the world free from our
exponentially-growing debts.
I'm trying to
wake up the Christians, the Jews, the Muslims
that the New Testament, Old Testament
and Koran all agree on
usury and it's one major thing we can
agree on.
The Good Equation
is here and it's spreading all around the
world. Watch out for the posts on LETS
press.
:2) Those who choose to hear, will; and
those who choose not to
:hear, will not.
:
It's really amazing.
If they don't catch on that running
money like Poker chips makes finance simple
and stable, they'll
never catch on. A man convinced against
his will is a man
unconvinced still. These guys have stuck
their face on the Public
BBS and laughed at something that's working.
It's hard to admit
they were wrong.
It's just like
a painting which has within it a hidden face.
It may be originally hard to see but when
you do, it jumps right
out at you from then on and you wonder
how you could have missed
seeing it in the first place.
What's funny
is not that they have legitimate questions
about a wondrous new financial system
that's sweeping the world.
It's that that they come up with perceived
problems that are
laughable from a casino cashiering point
of view.
:Now an observation from a humble believer.
You have an uncanny ability to
:make even the reprobates "hang on" waiting
for your next post.
:
That's because
they can't believe it can be that simple.
Though they can't find anything wrong
with a Poker chip system,
they're expecting someone else to."It
isn't that simple" has been
bred into them. With millions of economsts
around the world
scratching their heads over the problem,
they can't believe
something so simple can be right? It would
be an admission that
we've been fooled by the workings of our
"token" system.
Financial education
is so backwards that I can make a
statement which grates right at their
core:
"More money in
circulation would bring down inflation."
That's totally
opposite to everything they've been trained
to believe. Inflation is actually a reduction
in the collateral
being chased by the same money and not
more money chasing the
collateral.
Because everyone
owing $110 for every $100 borrowed creates
a kind of musical chairs where someone
must always fail, everyone
thinks the way to balance it is to knock
someone out. Just as
adding a chair would prevent anyone being
knocked out, adding
money would prevent anyone being knocked
into foreclosure and
less seizure of collateral. But to them,
it's unheard of playing
musical chairs with enough chairs. But
it would balance the
system.
From my Mathematics of Debt Slavery:
HOW "MORT-GAGE" INTEREST CREATES A DEATH-GAMBLE
The word "mort-gage"
is derived from the French word "mort"
meaning "death" and "gage" meaning "gamble".
Bankers create the money
supply when they make loans. Producers
are forced to gamble by
borrowing newly created Principal(P) to
pay for production costs and
then inflating their prices to earn back
the Principal and
Interest(P+I) in sales. Because total
goods priced at (P+I) can never
be sold when consumers only have P dollars
available, a minimum amount
of goods must remain unsold and a minimum
number of producers must
fail and suffer foreclosure. The economist
Keynes likened the mort-
gage death-gamble to the game of musical
chairs. Just as there are
insufficient chairs for all to survive
the musical chairs death-
gamble, so too, there is insufficient
money for all to repay (P+I) and
survive the mort-gage death-gamble.
P < principle, I < Interest, i <
Interest Rate, t < Time
PERCENT ALGEBRA EXP. FUNC
Production costs (principal)
100 P
1
Production prices (Debt) 100+i P+I exp(it)
Purchasable Value
100 P
1
or ratio of money to prices
----- -----
-------
or survivors
100+i P+I
exp(it)
Unpurchasable value
i P
1
or forced unemployment
U= ----- ----- 1
- --------
or non-survivors
100+i P+I
exp(it)
For U=0, let i=0 I=0 i=0 or t=0
The odds of survival
are always set by the interest rate(i).
P/(P+I) survive, I/(P+I) do not.
INFLATION
The equation
for the minimum inflation (J) we must suffer is the
same as the equation for unemployment
(U) because the fraction of the
people foreclosed on is the fraction of
collateral confiscated.
Draw a large
H and label the first left line as "$" and the right
line "Collateral."
Draw a small
arrow up from the left axis. Label it "Shift A."
Draw another
arrow down from the right axis labelled "Shift B."
Draw a line from
the tip of the "Shift A" arrow to the base of
the "Shift B" arrow and vice versa.
Though we are
led to believe that inflation is caused by an
increase in the money chasing the goods
(Shift A), actually, due to
foreclosures, it is caused by a decrease
in the collateral backing up
the money (Shift B). Though both inflations
shifts feel the same, the
graph shows inflation is the direct function
of interest, not the
inverse exposing the Big Lie that interest
fights inflation.
Most people who
have not studied economics, if asked whether
interest fights or causes inflation, are
quick to agree that a merchant
must pass on increased interest costs
in his prices and therefore it
is evident that increased interest costs
will result in increased
prices. After a thorough brainwashing,
economists have been convinced
that increased interest costs will result
in decreased prices as they
constantly explain that "interest fights
inflation."
So, they've got
everybody looking at Shift A and they're so
trained on shift A that they can't even
turn around to look if
Shift B is the problem. They are victims
of a classic case of
Orwell's double-think. When you see that
it is a reduction in
collateral that could not be sold to the
same money chasing it,
rather than more money chasing the collateral,
everything becomes
clear.
:God has obviously gifted you as a teacher,
in the true sense of
:the Word.
:
Thank you. I
do know I present an entertaining show in front
of a blackboard or reading some of these
posts. I have tapes of
speeches which have lasted over an hour.
As the Teaching Assistant
of the Mathematics of Gambling
course, I got some chances but I had a
great teacher at
Carleton in my Math Professor, Dr. Walter
Schneider. He taught
Second Year Engineering Math and had a
style that made Integral
Calculus and Differential Equations easy
to understand. He was
also the Prof. of the Mathematics of Gambling
course and I had
several more years to watch in action.
I must admit
I'm rougher with the barbs than he would find
accceptable but I think anyone standing
in the way of a workable
financial system that could cure the world's
ills deserves to be
laughed out of the way.
I know it infuriates
them not to be able to find something
wrong because they think "it's not that
simple, it can't be
right," but I've never seen someone vehemently
opposed to the
concept of "Usury as the man-kind killer"
ever come around.
:One last thing. One reader said
"Religion is by definition
irrational, while science is by definition
rational." Would he
:consider the theory of evolution rational?
:
Tough question.
I see the issue as:
1) God created
the Big Bang and watches the shows in those
patches of garden-matter which randomly
give birth to animal
civilizations, VERSUS,
2) God didn't
wait 15 billion-years for our development and,
in a creationary work of art, fashioned
the building blocks and
started a population just recently.
I think of it
as seeing the Hydro-Power generator generating
electricity down the wire into my home.
I see the power going
into the wall. I see the power coming
out of the wall. But I
grant the probability that there could
be a generator in the wall
and it's not coming from the power-plant.
But I'd bet on the rise
of civilizations with God in no rush.
:One teacher said "Changing species with
DNA through
:random chance over time is roughly equivalent
statistically to building a 747
:from the spare parts in a junk yard by
sending in a tornado." A recent post
:said "Evolution is the equivalent of
putting the parts to 1000 watches in a
:box, shaking the box for 10,000 years,
and opening the box expecting to find
:1000 new watches." Now I am not
a scientist, mathematician or statistician,
:but that sounds completely irrational
to me. Perhaps I'm too simple to
:understand such complex things. :-D
:
I've hit a 650,000
to 1 long-shot Royal Flush. I've hit many
65,000:1 Straight Flushes. The one thing
I am trained to watch
out for is small-probability long-shots.
What you've offered
here are extremely long odds. Billions,
trillions, trillions of trillions to one
odds and more.
I'd assume that
if ever the 747 came together during that
tornado, it would weather the rest of
the storm.
Let's look at
the state of the matter at every second.
It's either a
747 or it's still in pieces.
Using the assumed
the 15 billion year age of God's
playground, that's a lot of seconds and
a lot of looks.
That's 7,889,400,000,000,000
chances for a 747 to appear.
Would you say
the odds are more than 1 in 8 million billion
times. I'd still say no.
Now what are
the odds of a particular set of molecules all
being found at the same place and getting
zapped by a bolt of
lightning to spawn life.
I believe that
God was capable of providing the building
blocks which would interact in a random
fashion to create life.
I'd therefore bet that planets in similar
orbits around similar
suns -- different test tubes, really --
might have spawned life
too. So though the examples given are
ludicrously too improbable,
is it necessarily so that the life formula
is also that
improbable. I bet not.
What's neat about
looking at the world in a game theoretic
way is that you think in terms of a spectrum
of probabilities.
Eg: At hold-em
Poker where each opponent gets two cards and
five cards end up in the middle of the
table in common, if there
are three hearts on the board and I have
a Kh9h, I have a King
high heart flush. If I bet and I get raised,
I know he can also
have two hearts but the chances of him
having two hearts with the
Ace for an Ace-high flush to beat me are
over 150:1 and I'll
raise him again knowing I lose $40 once
for the extra $20 I'll
win 150 times. Most weak players play
scared and if raised, they
automatically worry about the cinch and
don't make the extra
$3,000 per hundred an fifty situations.
If I have a Queen-high
flush, I'll still raise because it's
77:1 of his having the Ace- or King-high
flush.
Of course, some
players are scared all the way and just
won't raise without the Ace-high flush
fearing I have it. A raise
from a scared rock is usually a pain because
it's really hard to
fold a King-high flush. It's the type
of hand you almost have to
pay off.
In the creationary
spectrum, there is a probability that
life arose over time and there's a probability
it was a "turn-
key" package. I'd bet on the Big Bang.
If I could bet
5 minutes worth of my time at phenomenal
odds, I might even bet on the 747 within
the next million
billion years.
If you really
want some fun, cross post some of these
articles and ask for comments. Then quiz
them.
ucecspb@ucl.ac.uk (Simon Pearson Brocklebank) wrote:
:however it just seems to me after following
the thread of the
:argument on Why Jesus spoke in Parables
that your just going
:around in needless circles! Perhaps we
should remember that the
:fruits of the flesh include divisions,
factions and arguments.
:why don't we concentrate upon building
one another up, upon
:hearing what each other are actually
saying, listening to GOD and
:through him learn how to build one another
up in love. And
:through His wonderful grace produce the
fruit of faith, love,
:gentlene
:
Because I'm saying
that the LETS financial system can save
our world and they're saying it can't.
Discussing life-and-death
issues does elicit some vehemence and
that vehemence is what
attracts many readers. And because how
the money system works has
been so misrepresented that the truth
sounds very strange indeed.
Re: TURMEL: Poem about the Bible and Usury
jkodish@thwap.ve6mgs.ampr.ab.ca (Jason Kodish) wrote:
::I've been back for all of 2 days (hi
all; bienvenue, Yves), and I've
::found my first addition to the killfile.
Thank you very much, Turmel.
:
:Welcome to our circle of Hell, Marco.
I bid you welcome. :-)
:
If I'm on Jason's
kill-list too, how did he catch this post?
John "The Engineer" Turmel
---
LOSER?
I've been fighting
this fight for 16 years from the very
first moment I saw the link between casino
chips and money and
lots of people have laughed at my efforts
which, happilly,
generated much local, national and even
international publicity
stunts for the Abolition of Interest Rates.
And now that
the Christ-inspired LETS program is spreading
around the world with tens of thousands
setting up their own
financial life-boats, it bugs them when
I remind them that it was
my financing that kick-started the software's
development in the
early eighties and they hate to see me
proven right.
I feel like the
kid who shouted "The King has no clothes
on." "The King's Usury dollars don't work
and Our Own
Greendollars do."
I stuck it in
their faces all across the country and that
makes me a radical in people's eyes.
And now I'm not
alone in having derived the equation from
that statement.
Can you not imagine
how pleasant it is to find that it is a
problem that could be solved by most science
stream university
students.
I'd like Stephen
to give his class a little test.
With Balance
= B, % increase = i, time = t, what is the
differential equation for:
"To him who has
abundance will more be given and from him
who has no abundance, even what he has
will be taken away."
Then ask if they
can come up with the one-word name for the
system that does this.
Shuttle
I'm a new breed
of engineer. I'm not like the guys who
obeyed when the economists said they couldn't
afford to wait to
blast off even though the rubber seals
had frozen up.
---
Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?
Michael.Hubbard@internetmci.com
(Michael Hubbard) sent a
message on Subject: Jesus
:Jesus is the only person,place thing what
ever you want to call
:it that can save this world not your
lets or all the other things
:you have mention.I sorry to bust your
bubble Gods plan is going
:just like God knew it would.Please when
you post in any Christian
:news group Give all praises which
are due to Jesus I really don't
:care about how u use playing poker to
Jesus parables.You my friend
:have missed the real reason behind the
parables of Jesus,u missed
:them by a mile I don't trully think you
have a idea on what
:Jesus really ment.
:Jesus is Love
:Michael
If you don't understand
what he meant when he said "I speak
in parables because interest makes rich
get richer and the poor
get poorer," how can you hope to think
I don't know why he speaks
in parables and you do.
Until you can
do more than just say you disagree, I'll
assume you have nothing more to offer.
kinwood@inforamp.net
(J Kirby Inwood) added his lofty
contribution:
:he didn't speak in parables, he spoke
in Aramaic
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this man to be very creative?
John C. Turmel