TURMEL: Jesus Christ Bankfighter Stream #1 60k

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              JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR EXTRAORDINAIRE
     I noticed a real miserable episode recently. Someone posted
a few short pleasant thoughts relating to the Bible and the boo-
birds came to life. "Take it somewhere else," "stop wasting our
band-width," was their common refrain.
     If this band-width they're so concerned about conserving were
needed for their more important thoughts, I might understand but they
don't contribute very much other than carping themselves and their
discourteous comments chased that correspondent away. Anyone who
enjoyed a short break from unpleasant topics now has to looking for
them elsewhere. It's just their contribution to making everyone's life
as miserable as their own.
     These arm-chair quarterbacks object to anyone saying "I believe
this" or " I have done that". Having offered nothing themselves, they
think it's boasting. Nevertheless, I'm going to take some band-width
to pay homage to Jesus and if the boo-birds don't like, let them go
carp elsewhere.
     I'd always suspected that Christ was not some poor dude rising up
against the "yoke of oppression." Lots of slaves have done that.
against the "mort-gage" "death-gamble". For his sacrifice to be as
spectacular as his disciples found it to be, I always figured he had
to have been a rich guy who chose to go with the debt slaves rather
than the debt masters. Usury, Yoke of Oppression, Genocide by poverty.
     There were some clues as to his wealth. He never seemed to need
for money. He had a one-piece robe, so valuable that they gambled for
it rather than cut it up. But that's small potatoes.
     Imagine you're born on a night when a super nova becomes visible
right over your place. Three kings happen to be in your neighbourhood
and think that makes you special. They compete with each other to load
you down with gold and valuable gifts. Dad invests it for you at the
prevailing 30+ % interest rate making your trust fund double every
couple of years. How rich do you think you will be when you come of
age? If you get the trust fund when you turn 30, it will have doubled
at least 12 times and been magnified 4,000 times! The "miracle" of
compound interest.
     In 1992, books on the Dead Sea Scrolls started coming out and I
read "Jesus and the riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls by Barbara
Thiering. She mentions that not only was Mary from the line of David
but so was Joseph, a pretender to the throne from the line of David.
But Jesus was technically disqualified from being the Crown Prince
because Joseph and Mary were living common-law at the time and
inheritance rules were pretty tough in those days. So even though he
no father listed on his birth certificate, he had some claim to the
throne. Quite a story.
     It would explain why Herod, who wasn't Jewish, was so unhappy to
find out about a birth from the line of David and his slaughter of the
young lads from Bethlehem trying to get rid of a real pretender to his
throne. It would also explain his affluence and his understanding of
how usury works from the point of view of the rich.
     How he came to hang around with poor people and preach against
the debt yoke that was oppressing them, I can't say but I do give him
credit for accurately stating usury's differential equations and
knowing what he was talking about when he kept condemning interest
rates. Interest rates are mentioned four times in the New Testament:
"To those who have abundance will more be given and to those who have
no abundance, even what they have will be taken away."
     Interest gives more to those who have spare and takes away from
those who don't have enough. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
Reverse Robin Hood. Hardly something you'd expect him to be in favor
of. There's good argument he was against taking from the poor to give
to the rich: "You're abundance should at the present time be a supply
for their want so that their abundance may later be a supply for your
want. In that way, he who gathers much doesn't have too much and he
who gathers little doesn't have too little. That there may be
equality."
     It's interesting that it does not talk of equality of wealth but
equality of opportunity with charitable use of the abundance boiling
down to "Lend expecting nothing in return."
     So here's the Crown prince stirring up the debt slaves with talk
of "forgiving our debts as we forgive our debtors" (the real words in
the Our Father prayer, not "trespasses," a major distortion). It must
have really upset the Money Masters of that time. They tried to buy
him off with the Crown but he refused and led a protest against the
money-lenders. This was not Jesus with a whip busting up a few tables
as often depicted. In those days, when usurers foreclosed on the
house, they foreclosed on the owners and their families and had
bouncers to handle their slaves and private prisons. Either Christ
really beat all those bouncers with a whip by himself or he led a
general uprising of the debt slaves and quite a riot took place.
     Within days, the premier warrior for abolition of the mortgage
death-gamble was sold out, tried and crucified. The Crown prince was
put to death for assault on the usurers which shows where the hidden
power really was and still remains.
     He was not a revolutionary in an ordinary war. He died in the war
to end all wars, ARMAGEDDON, the primordial conflict between the
Keepers and the Abolitionists of the mortgage death-gamble. He had the
choice of being king of the Moneylenders and instead chose to give up
his life as a message of opposition to the yoke of mort-gage
oppression making his sacrifice one of the most selfless humanitarian
gestures in the history of social reform.
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              JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR EXTRAORDINAIRE
     I'd always suspected that Christ was not some poor dude
rising up against the "yoke of oppression." Lots of slaves have
done that.  against the "mort-gage" "death-gamble". For his
sacrifice to be as spectacular as his disciples found it to be, I
always figured he had to have been a rich guy who chose to go
with the debt slaves rather than the debt masters. Usury, Yoke of
Oppression, Genocide by poverty.
     There were some clues as to his wealth. He never seemed to
need for money. He had a one-piece robe, so valuable that they
gambled for it rather than cut it up. But that's small potatoes.
     Imagine you're born on a night when a super nova becomes
visible right over your place. Three kings happen to be in your
neighbourhood and think that makes you special. They compete with
each other to load you down with gold and valuable gifts. Dad
invests it for you at the prevailing 30+ % interest rate making
your trust fund double every couple of years. How rich do you
think you will be when you come of age? If you get the trust fund
when you turn 30, it will have doubled at least 12 times and been
magnified 4,000 times! The "miracle" of compound interest.
     In 1992, books on the Dead Sea Scrolls started coming out
and I read "Jesus and the riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls by
Barbara Thiering. She mentions that not only was Mary from the
line of David but so was Joseph, a pretender to the throne from
the line of David. But Jesus was technically disqualified from
being the Crown Prince because Joseph and Mary were living
common-law at the time and inheritance rules were pretty tough in
those days. So even though he no father listed on his birth
certificate, he had some claim to the throne. Quite a story.
     It would explain why Herod, who wasn't Jewish, was so
unhappy to find out about a birth from the line of David and his
slaughter of the young lads from Bethlehem trying to get rid of a
real pretender to his throne. It would also explain his affluence
and his understanding of how usury works from the point of view
of the rich.
     How he came to hang around with poor people and preach
against the debt yoke that was oppressing them, I can't say but I
do give him credit for accurately stating usury's differential
equations and knowing what he was talking about when he kept
condemning interest rates. Interest rates are mentioned four
times in the New Testament: "To those who have abundance will
more be given and to those who have no abundance, even what they
have will be taken away."
     Interest gives more to those who have spare and takes away
from those who don't have enough. The rich get richer, the poor
get poorer. Reverse Robin Hood. Hardly something you'd expect him
to be in favor of. There's good argument he was against taking
from the poor to give to the rich: "You're abundance should at
the present time be a supply for their want so that their
abundance may later be a supply for your want. In that way, he
who gathers much doesn't have too much and he who gathers little
doesn't have too little. That there may be equality."
     It's interesting that it does not talk of equality of wealth
but equality of opportunity with charitable use of the abundance
boiling down to "Lend expecting nothing in return."
     So here's the Crown prince stirring up the debt slaves with
talk of "forgiving our debts as we forgive our debtors" (the real
words in the Our Father prayer, not "trespasses," a major
distortion). It must have really upset the Money Masters of that
time. They tried to buy him off with the Crown but he refused and
led a protest against the money-lenders. This was not Jesus with
a whip busting up a few tables as often depicted. In those days,
when usurers foreclosed on the house, they foreclosed on the
owners and their families and had bouncers to handle their slaves
and private prisons. Either Christ really beat all those bouncers
with a whip by himself or he led a general uprising of the debt
slaves and quite a riot took place.
     Within days, the premier warrior for abolition of the
mortgage death-gamble was sold out, tried and crucified. The
Crown prince was put to death for assault on the usurers which
shows where the hidden power really was and still remains.
     He was not a revolutionary in an ordinary war. He died in
the war to end all wars, ARMAGEDDON, the primordial conflict
between the Keepers and the Abolitionists of the mortgage death-
gamble. He had the choice of being king of the Moneylenders and
instead chose to give up his life as a message of opposition to
the yoke of mort-gage oppression making his sacrifice one of the
most selfless humanitarian gestures in the history of social
reform.
     The following is the Bible portion of my Ballad of the
Banking Systems Engineer. If offers my unique interpretation of
his sacrifice from the point of view of opposition to usury and
explains why I hold his humanity in such high regard. I might say
it reached as close to Godliness as is humanly attainable.
                           BIBLE ECONOMICS
                      by John C. Turmel, B. Eng.
                             (558 verses)

CLERGYMAN SAYS
A clergyman, he spoke right up and told me I was right,
His Good Book was repetitive that interest was blight.
One night he dreamt a dialogue with Jesus Christ and said:
"You promised us you'd come. You're late. The planet's nearly dead."
He answered "I did not say that I'd come to save the day,
I meant that if the planet lives, my way would be the way.
The parables I spoke make sense to only those who see,
To find the answer to my riddles, you must find the key."
Get out your Bibles to detect the key which breaks his code,
It has been buried deep within another episode:

THIS WORLD'S LAW OF ABUNDANCE
In Matthew chapter 13:10, it tells where he was asked,
Why did he speak in parables so meanings they were masked?
"The reason for disguise of message," note the words he said:
"It all comes down to interest, the theme affects the head.
To those who have abundance will be given even more,
From those without abundance will be taken from their store."
This mathematical equation states the function best,
This Biblical description of the function interest.
This rule of more abundance was repeated down the line,
In Matthew 13:12 and 25 verse 29,
In Luke 19 verse 26, with 8:18 as well,
Four times this message was relayed, the key to living Hell.
To those with spare, the positives, they'll get some extra perks,
And those with none, they'll have to pay, that's how the system works.
The rich get richer, poor get poorer. It's not brotherhood.
It's obvious that interest is Reverse-Robin-Hood.
In Matthew chapter 6 verse 9, Christ taught us how to pray:
"When you are praying to the Father, here is what you say:
Our Father, who in Heaven art, hallowed be thy name,
Thy Kingdom come, thy Will be done on Earth as Heaven, the same.
Give us now our daily bread, forgive us all our debts,
As we forgive our debtors all their debts with no regrets.
And to temptation, lead us not, don't put us to the test,
Deliver us from evil one and wicked interest."

OLD TESTAMENT
So keying on the interest, I searched the Bible through,
And found it loaded with advice on what we have to do.
The Bible's filled with tales of woe, rich over the oppressed,
It's there in plain old black and white, "Abolish interest."
In Deuteronomy 23, verse 19 if you would:
"Do not charge brothers interest on money or on food."
In Exodus, 22:25; the rule is manifest,
"Don't be like moneylenders, charge him not an interest."
In Psalm 15, we see to dwell in God's home heavenly:
"On holy hill lives he who lends without the usury."
Leviticus, in 25, verse 35's no jest:
"You must not lend him any money at an interest."
Isaiah Chapter 55, in it he specifies,
The way to answer when you hear the sound of needy cries:
"All you who have no money and are very hungry still,
May come and buy the food we have so you may eat your fill.
And you who have no money and clad insufficiently,
Do come to buy some clothing so that warmly dressed you'll be."

EZEKIEL
Ezekiel in 22, verse 25's the test:
"If you lend money to the needy, charge no interest."
Ezekiel 3:18 adds responsibility,
God states his laws for life with his expected certainty:
"And when I tell the wicked man that "You will surely die,"
You will be held accountable if you don't warn the guy?
But if you speak up and he doesn't change his wicked way,
You will have saved yourself and he will be the one to pay.
Suppose a righteous man does not take too much interest,
He takes no usury. He'll live! His actions I have blessed.
Suppose he has a son who takes excessive interest,
And lends at usury. He'll die! His actions I detest.
But if this son too has a son who doesn't do the same,
He does not take the pledge for loans, his greed he overcame.
He takes no usury nor interest that is too high,
He will not die for his father's sin, the soul that sins will die.
But if a wicked man turns from the sins he did commit,
He gives back what he took in pledge. His sins I will acquit.
Forgotten will be his offences when I come to judge,
Because of good things he does now, I will not hold a grudge.
But if a righteous man turns from my law to evil way,
None of his righteous deeds will count. He'll die! I do inveigh.
So cleanse yourselves of all your sins and cease to be such fools,
I take no pleasure in the death of men who break my rules."
Ezekiel declared that usury and interest,
Could have a different effect, there was a simple test.
If interest demanded is of something that can breed,
Such interest is payable and not sin I concede.
So if you lend a hundred head and ask to get two more,
That might not be excessive action that he would abhor.
But if you gain all of the calves and he still owes you some,
That would be judged excessive. That is more than maximum.
And if the interest is on some silver or some gold,
It's usury because there are no babies to behold!
It's interest if principal can breed to multiply,
It's usury if principal cannot so classify.

PUNISHMENTS
In Deuteronomy 28, verse 20 it does say,
"That if you take the usury, the Lord will make you pay.
He'll send on you confusion till you come to sudden ruin,
You'll lack success in all you do, a melancholy tune.
And though you build a house, you won't reside behind its drapes,
And though you plant a vineyard, you won't get to taste its grapes.
Your oxen killed before your eyes and you won't eat your share,
Your sheep and donkey taken leaving you in great despair.
Your sons and daughters to enslavement for your payments due,
And worrying and waiting is the punishment for you.
Some foreigners will eat the fruit of labor on your land,
You'll be condemned to poverty eternal to withstand.
He'll lend to you but you won't lend to him. He will prevail,
So he will be the head and you will always be the tail."

INFLATION AND INVOLUNTARY UNEMPLOYMENT
In Haggai 1:5 he insists "Your way has something wrong,
You've planted much but you don't eat enough to keep you strong.
You drink but never have your fill, your shoes have broken soles,
You put your wages in a wallet that has many holes."
In Haggai 1:11, unemployment God commands:
As punishment he called for "drought on labor of your hands."
In Haggai 2:16, he notes inflation once again,
"When one came to a heap of twenty, there were only ten,
When anyone went to draw wine, not fifty, but twenty.
I struck the labor of your hands. You did not turn to me."
Isaiah 28:19 says "it will traumatize,
And cause sheer terror when your plight you finally realize.
The bed is too short to stretch out, your blanket is not wide,
Enough to wrap around you. Thus in need you will abide."
Isaiah 44:2 asks "Why is your money spent,
On what you cannot eat? Why labor on what won't content?"
Isaiah 44:19 says "They've not understood,
That half of it I've used for fuel, shall I bow down to wood?"
In Proverbs 22, verse 7, it is clear for sure:
"The borrower serves lender." It's the rich over the poor.
Job 20:5 says that the "Heaven will expose his guilt,
The wicked does oppress and seizes homes he never built."
In Psalm 64, we hear complaint: "Oh god, protect my life,
From the conspiracy of wicked men who deal in strife,
The crowd of evil-doers who in secret make their plot,
And whisper silently that it's a perfect plan they've got."

HABAKKUK'S COMPLAINT
In Habakkuk 1, he cries out to God in all his pain,
For the oppression of the poor he asked God to explain:
"How long, O Lord, must I cry "help" but find you do not hear,
Or cry out "I see violence," but you don't interfere.
Why do you make me witness sin? Why tolerate such wrong?
The law is paralyzed with justice only for the strong.
The wicked foe hooks righteous men into his evil net,
And so rejoices in their subjugation by their debt.
He therefore sacrifices and burns incense to his net,
For by his net he lives in all the riches he can get.
Is he to keep his net destroying nations willfully?
Is he to swallow up more righteous men than he can be?"
The Lord replied: "It certainly will come, it won't delay,
When he's brought down, he'll feel the ridicule in what they say:
"Will not your debtors suddenly arise and shake your throne?
Will they not wake up, make you tremble, force you to atone?
Then you'll become their victim for you plundered nations great,
Because you plundered them, their plundering will be your fate,
For you've destroyed the lands and towns of them who you disdain,
And woe to him who builds his realm on such illicit gain." "

NEHEMIAH ABOLISHES INTEREST
In Nehemiah 5 we hear complaints by needy men,
Of the conditions that existed in the nation then.
Some said "We've had to mortgage all our vineyards and our fields,
To get grain during famine though they've had abundant yields."
Some others said "We've had to borrow money for the King,
Whose taxes on our fields and vineyards leave us not a thing."
Still others said "Their flesh and blood is of our family tree,
Yet our children suffer under yoke of slavery."
When Nehemiah heard them, anger great he could not mask,
The nobles and the rulers were the ones he took to task.
He called a great assembly where he chose to lay the blame,
On bankers, judges, politicians who had run the game:
"You are exacting usury of your own countrymen,
Unlike my men who freely lend to needy brethren.
What you are doing is not right, you must do as we do.
So "Stop exacting interest!" It is the Big Taboo.
Return their fields and vineyards and their houses and their grain,
And also all the usury, the whole illicit gain."
The nobles and the rulers said: "They will not have to pay.
We'll give them back all their possessions. We'll do what you say."
Prosperity resulted from his ban on interest,
"Remember me, O God, with favor" was his last request.

HOW INTEREST ARISES
One tale to show how interest occurs quite easily,
Especially when humans find themselves in scarcity:
A father leaving his estate, his sons he has but four,
To each of them he gives a sac of seed to grow some more.
The first son had misfortune due to natural event,
The loss of crop to a tornado, the predicament.
The second son, he suffered too, with locusts in his field,
His children soon would starve after an insufficient yield.
The third son had a tiny crop, but it was touch-and-go,
He had eight kids who ate most everything that he could grow.
The fourth son's crop was bountiful, his granaries were full,
His brothers asked if some spare seeds might be available,
In his right ear he heard advice that he knew to be true,
"Do help them out and should you fail, they'll be there helping you."
But in his wrong ear he heard words so greedy in their tone,
"Don't risk security for your success was all your own.
But if you rent your seeds to them and gain from what they reap,
You soon won't have to work with interest to earn your keep."
At some point in man's history, a brother chose that way,
Enslaved with debt all of the others lasting to this day.

WHO THE LORD MUST BE
Ezekiel 34:27 says the poor will know,
When they've been rescued from the ones who have enslaved them so.
The one who breaks the evil bars of yoke of slavery,
He'll be their savior, that's for sure. No other can he be.
Like Nehemiah, Jesus knew a Lord must set them free,
And fight the men who had imposed the yoke of slavery.
In Luke 4 verse 18 he says "Anointed by the Lord,
I preach the good news to the poor, a world they can afford.
The prisoners shall be set free, oppressed shall be released,
When comes the year of our Lord's favor, you will surely feast."

CHRIST'S LAW OF ABUNDANCE
In Paul to the Corinthians 2, Chapter 8, 14,
We find abundance matched to need with charity foreseen,
"Your own abundance now should be supplying for their need,
That their abundance later will supply you your own seed.
And in this way, who gathers much will not have over-fill,
And he who gathers little will be taken care of still.
And in this way there soon will be a rich equality,
Where people help each other with great productivity."
In Paul to the Corinthians, book 2 does so reveal,
In chapter 8:11 "You must act to match your zeal.
So based on what you have you should complete what you began,
And not on what you do not have, to do the most you can."
So judge according to your men, materials and tools,
And not according to the lack of money ruling fools.
In Matthew 5 verse 48, on credit he did say,
"From one who wants to borrow from you, do not turn away."
In Luke 6:35 he notes the law that we must learn,
"Of your abundance, lend without expecting its return."
In Luke 14:14 he said the rich should help the poor.
"And though you may not be repaid, the Lord will still ensure,
That when the resurrection of the righteous does take place,
You'll be rewarded at that time, you'll get an honored place."
For in Acts 20:35, he tells us to believe,
"More blessed is it to donate than it is to receive."
In Matthew chapter 7:12, it's hard to misconstrue:
"Do unto others what you'd like to have them do to you."
If, while in need, you found the interest to be unjust,
Refusing to inflict it, while in plenty, is a must.
In Matthew 19:24 he says the lure's too great.
A man with plenty can't resist and thereby seals his fate:
"It's harder for a rich man to get into Heaven high,
Than it is for a camel to pass through a needle's eye."

ASSAULT ON MONEY-LENDERS
Abundance had two ancient laws from which he had to choose,
Abundance increase for the rich or loans for those who lose.
To those who have abundance will be given even more,
From those without abundance will be taken from their store, or
Your own abundance now should be supplying for their need,
That their abundance later will supply you your own seed.
In Matthew 4 verse 23, it says in Galilee,
He preached the Good News of the Kingdom for those who would see.
He taught the difference in laws for three years under Rome.
And then in physical attack, he drove his message home.
In Matthew 10:34, He says "My friend, do not suppose,
That I have come to bring Earth peace, that's not the path I chose.
I did not come to bring you peace, I came to bring a sword,
A revolution for the poor that's worthy of a Lord."
Luke 12 verse 49 repeats "I've come to bring a fire,
To see the Earth already lit is to what I aspire.
So do you think that I have come to bring you peace on earth?
Division is the reason I have come to bet my worth."
In Matthew 21 verse 12's the story of his fight,
530) With whip, he battled money-lenders. He was not contrite!
He set upon the bankers and he caused them all a loss,
For busting up their temple's books, they nailed him to their cross.
And so you see, Christ did much more than preach the godly way.
He stood against the interest and knew his life he'd pay.
But we don't have to die like him, he showed another way,
To fight against the usury, a plan for use today.
It's in the Parable of Minas, Luke 19:16,
And parable of talents, Matthew 25:14.

PARABLE OF THE TALENTS
The parable of Talents in Matt. 25:14,
Depicts a reign where the effects of interest are seen.
"The Kingdom that is Heaven is like where a master takes,
A lengthy leave of absence and for foreign lands he makes.
He calls together servants so his wishes they might learn,
"You put my money to good use until I can return."
According to ability, five talents to the first,
Two golden talents to the next, one talent to the worst.
The first did well in industry, it doubled with five more,
The next did well in his own way and doubled his to four.
The weakest of the servants knew his master to be hard,
Afraid to lose the gold, he buried it out in the yard.
Years later when the master came, he called them to account,
To settle up their debts they had to meet his due amount.
The first one said "I've doubled mine. Here's ten with interest."
The master said "You've done quite well. To that I will attest."
The second said "You gave me two and with two more, that's four."
The master said "I thank you for increasing so my store."
The third said "Master, we both know, you reap where you don't sow,
I buried it and here's what's yours. I found it didn't grow."
The master said "A lazy servant, I do you regard,
You know I reap where I don't sow, I am a man who's hard.
You should have put my money with the bank so that I'd get,
My interest when I returned, a failure you'll regret.
To those who have abundance will be given even more,
From those without abundance will be taken from their store.
So give his talent to the others who now have a heap,
And throw him into alley where men gnash their teeth and weep." "

PARABLE OF THE MINAS
The parable of minas in St. Luke 19, 11,
Has servant once again rejecting interest in heaven.
Again, the servant did remit the mina he received,
Again, the master did invoke the law which he believed:
"To those who have abundance will be given even more,
From those without abundance will be taken from their store.
The penalty the servant paid for his audacity.
The master ordered to the guards: "Slay him in front of me." "

COURTS OF JUSTICE
With slavery or death for those who failed in their reports,
It's obvious why Jesus told them to avoid the courts.
Luke 12, verse 57, warns the debtor of the trap,
"You settle with him out of court or you will do the rap.
The magistrate will turn you over to the jailers who,
Will keep you chained until you've paid the last penny due."
The problem is how long it takes for one who is in jail,
To earn the money necessary to fulfill his bail?
Christ used this clever way make us see how slavery,
Is caused by debts that have exploded due to usury.
In Luke 11:46, he took the time to note,
The Lord's distaste for the judiciary and I quote:
"Woe to you experts in the law, you load the people down,
You are no help and burden them with loads that make them frown.
You've hid the key to knowledge and because you did not see,
You've been a hindrance to the ones who have ability."
In Matthew 12 verse 38, he warns us to "Watch out,
For teachers of the law who walk in flowing robes about.
They have the most important places in the synagogue,
But they devour widow's houses. That's their epilogue."

MISINTERPRETATIONS
Because of false interpretations that say he approves,
The taking of the usury, his words still make the news.
That usury's okay is one interpretation claimed,
The master must be Christ since Heaven is the Kingdom named.
But does this sound like our reward if faith in him we keep?
And who are in the alley where men gnash their teeth and weep?
Are they the lazy who have met a Christ Lord they should fear?
Has he made punishment for laziness so crystal clear?
Some say our duty is to make our talents multiply.
And so the lazy servant justly was condemned to die.
But if the talents represent the traits of human kind,
How could such talent be transferred to other servant's mind?
Did servant with the greatest talents who received one more,
Begin to play the other's flute, begin to write a score?
The physical transferral of the talents must imply,
The talents represent real money. That we can't deny.
If you were to be asked what for you would be heavenly?
There'd be no executions and no alleys, certainly.
There would be lots of food and drink, some clothing and a home,
A razor and some shaving cream, a toothbrush and a comb.
If you had also trappings of a great technology,
All of the tools and gadgets that use electricity.
Communications, education, entertainment, wealth,
A staff of competent physicians watching over health.
Most labor that is tedious is done by robots who,
Release you to explore the universe God made for you.
And best of all you'd want your friends to share in your success,
That's why all of us will end up in heaven, I profess.
In Heaven, all will have their friends and family by their side.
Though evil ones are silenced by a guilt they cannot hide.
Within Acts 24:15, he says it's understood,
There will be resurrection of both wicked and the good.
But John 5:28 points out the day those in their graves,
Will rise up for the judgment of the Lord on who he saves,
"The good will be rewarded with a life's eternity,
But wicked ones will stand condemned for their iniquity."
And so our Earth, this little speck of blue dust in the sky,
Can be a Heaven here on Earth, we do not have to die.

SERVANTS' REVOLUTION
But why did servants bury gold when putting it with banks,
Would pay their master's interest and also gain his thanks?
All that the servants had to do to be the laziest,
Was bank the money and let others pay the interest.
And with this laziest of ways to satisfy the debt,
We must consider what they risked their lives to try to get.
Imagine that one servant, when he was a little lad,
Took careful note of interest and the effect it had.
All borrowed dinars from the man and promised him some more,
The charge for dinars' rental was the service they paid for.
He looked at how the chariot-makers fared under the rules,
The Big Three were Chrysler and Ford as well as General Mules.
To pay to make their carts, they sought ten million dinars each,
With which to pay the workers. Now the prices had to reach,
Twelve million dinars minimum, the price each had to seek,
With interest at twenty percent, it wasn't for the weak.
With thirty million dinars in the hands of those who buy,
And prices set at thirty-six, six thirty-sixths too high,
The village bought as many as the dinars that they had,
Not all the chariots were bought, it was so very sad.
The next year when the master came to settle up the debts,
Some of the makers had to lose on their production bets.
The President of General Mules approached and did proclaim,
"Here is your ten with two more satisfying rules of game."
The President of Ford said "I've got my twelve million too,
We've sold all of our chariots. It's what we said we'd do."
The President of Chrysler Chariots didn't look too well,
He said "We're short and we can't pay, our chariots couldn't sell.
GM and Ford sold all their stock and though we did our best,
We only sold six million's worth, we couldn't sell the rest."
The master said "You know I'm hard and reap where I don't sow,
Both principal and interest, you should have paid, you know:
To those who have abundance will be given even more,
From those without abundance will be taken from their store.
Though interest creates a lack and some must always lose,
You took the mortgage but your chariots they did not choose."
So take their stock and sell it off, with prices well beneath,
And throw them into alley where men weep and gnash their teeth."
Because the servant knew that he was most likely to lose,
He chose to guard all of the gold and maybe make the news.
And in his actions he rebuked the master to his face,
"You say you reap where you don't sow. You thief, you're a disgrace.
As we all do the sowing and you end up with the seed,
We are the ones who do the work but we end up in need."
The master screamed "You know the law that gets me interest,
That my abundance should increase, forgetting all the rest.
If you had begged me hard enough, I might have saved you yet,
But you have lost your chance for an extension on your debt.
You'll join the guys from Chrysler in the alley with the rest,
Where souls do weep and gnash their teeth because of interest."

PARABLES ARE REVOLUTIONARY STRATEGY
So interest prevents a heaven here on earth for man,
It is the cause of poverty and death since time began.
These monetary parables transmit the strategy,
That Jesus offered us to use to fight debt slavery:
One gives to Ceasar what is Ceasar's, all his principal,
But no demand for interest, not even minimal.
This is the revolutionary tactic Christ designed.
It is the tactic that one day a righteous court might find.
In Timothy I, 6 verse 6, though some may say it's moot,
"The love of money is of many kinds of sin the root.
For those who covet money have been lured right off the trail,
And pierce themselves with many griefs, their lot in life to fail."
The only reason men love money is because it grows,
Without the need to earn it. It's a free ride they suppose.
2 Peter 2:15 says that "Quite off the path they've strayed,
And they have learned to love the wage of sin that they are paid."
In Hebrews 13:5, it says "Your lives should not be stained,
With love of money and to be content with what you've gained."
In Romans 6:23, he says "The wage of sin is death,
But know the gift of God is life with an eternal breath."
The Pharisees loved money and they sneered when Jesus spoke,
He said "What's valued among men is, in God's sight, a joke."
In John 5 verse 16, he notes the problem in one breath,
Of all the sins the greatest is "the sin that leads to death."
In Luke 9:23 he said "For worthiness of me,
You must take up your cross and be not like a Pharisee."
In Luke 16:13 it shows where he makes the demand,
"You cannot serve both God and money." You must take a stand.
Isaiah 53: verse 9 defines the penalty,
For he who acquiesces to oppression passively.
"Though he has not been violent, he still did err for which,
He was assigned a grave beside the wicked and the rich."
Both servants would not serve the money that they had been lent,
Both suffered punishment as if the money they had been spent.
They could have put it with the banks and caused him no alarm,
But each accepted consequence of doing him no harm.

PARABLE OF THE SOWER
In parable of sower in Luke 8:18 it's shown,
How men react when in their minds the Law of Christ is sown:
"A farmer went to sow his seed, he spread it all around.
Some fell along the path and birds devoured it when found.
Some fell in rocky places but died out for lack of base.
Some fell among the thorns which choked them out of living space.
Some fell on fertile soil and after having taken hold,
Produced a mighty harvest with the yield a hundredfold."
When asked the meaning of the parable he did reply:
"To you has been explained the secrets of the Kingdom High.
I spoke in parables to fight Reverse-Robin-Hood,
The wicked misinterpreting the tales, but not the good.
Forever seeing without seeing, men will surely be,
Forever hearing without hearing, you will surely see.
Their hearts have grown so very cold, while striving to survive,
This game where money's less than debt, where all can't stay alive.
Yet you have been enlightened in the search of best of ways,
That gives us Heaven here on earth and many better days.
For many righteous men and prophets longed to hear and see,
But they have never had the opportunity as thee."
Colossians 1:26 says "Knowledge of the Word,
Unveils the age-old mystery to all those who have heard."
The seed's the Word of God and has nothing to do with wood,
The "Christ Law" is the seed against Reverse-Robin-Hood:
Your own abundance now should be supplying for their need,
That their abundance later will supply you your own seed.
"The seed sown by the path is like the man who heard my news,
About the coming Kingdom but he failed to grasp the clues.
The seed sown in the rocky place was he who joyously,
Accepted it but with no root, forgot it rapidly,
Seed that was sown among the thorns was he who understood,
But worries of this life and wealth did choke in him the good.
The Word of God brings persecution causing him dismay,
So rather than accept those hardships, he soon fell away.
But what was sown on good soil was the man who did succeed,
To spread the Word producing many times the planted seed."
In John 8:31 he says "If you have faith in me,
Then you will know the truth and find the truth will set you free."
In Matthew 13:52, he says "All those who teach,
The way to earthly heaven that they soon have hope to reach,
Are like the owner of a house who brings out from his hold,
All kinds of treasures valuable, the new as well as old."
You'll find that if you teach the law of wise abundance use,
You'll come up with your own examples showing the abuse.
In Luke 6:39 he asks "With blind man leading blind,
Will it not be in darkest pit they both themselves shall find?
A student does not not rise above his teacher but it's so,
That fully trained, he's like his teacher. He is in the know.
No bad tree's fruit is ever good. No good tree's fruit is bad.
Each tree can be distinguished only by the fruit it had."
In John 15:15 he says "No longer do I call,
You servants when your master's inner business you know all.
So friendship is the quality to you I attribute,
And since it is now known to you, go bear some lasting fruit."
Though many say they preach his Word about the world to be,
They're negligent if they don't speak of yoke of slavery.
If they fail to accept he came to end our poverty,
They're not what he calls "born again" because they cannot see.
One may not rise above the Teacher but once fully trained,
His friendship will be the reward a teacher will have gained.

ARMAGEDDON WAR
Throughout our history we find submission to a yoke,
Made of financial chains invisible to common folk.
In Paul to Thessalonians 2:10 he says "They might,
Still be redeemed but they have not keep total truth in sight.
For this, God sends a powerful delusion on their minds,
So they believe the lie that causes woes of many kinds."
In 1 John chapter 4, verse 5, he says "They are from here,
And when they speak their worldly views, the world gives them its ear.
But we're from God and who knows God will understand our views,
But who does not know God will never listen to our news."
In John 15 verse 22, he notes the fact he met,
Ezekiel's requirement that a warning they should get:
"If I had not forewarned them, they'd have no guilt to adduce,
But now that I've exposed the answer, they have no excuse."
In Matthew 23:34 he says "You snakes will pay.
You brood of vipers. How will you escape to Hell the way?
I've sent you prophets, teachers, so your sin they might decry,
Some you will flog in synagogues, some you will crucify."
In Paul to the Ephesians, 6:12 he sheds a light:
"It's not against the men of flesh and blood that we should fight,
But it's against authorities who rule iniquity,
The spiritual forces causing Earth's adversity."
In John 16 verse 8, of master ruling over lands,
He says "the prince of this World is convicted as he stands."
I doubt that Christ would waste his time where it might do less good,
So it makes sense his parables fight Reverse-Robin-Hood.
Against the interest it was rebellion he did do,
Against the yoke oppressing needy by the wealthy few.
In Paul to the Galatians, in chapter 5 verse 1,
He said "Though Christ has set you free, the battle's not yet done.
You must stand firm despite the odds and shed the bars he broke,
And never let yourselves again be burdened by the yoke."
The war he fought would end all wars, it has a special name,
The war of Armageddon is the reason that he came.
The Keepers and the Abolitionists of interest,
Two armies in the Armageddon war put to the test.
The champion of the Abolitionists is Christ outraged,
Against the Keepers of the interest, a war he waged.
With violence, he pointed out the bad guys on the scene,
The bankers and their interest is why he turned so mean.
It's true that in his day there was no other remedy,
Yet still he gave his life to show the way for all to see.
No violence is necessary for revolt today,
With politics and open courts, there is a peaceful way.
Yet if he took his cross up when he had so little hope,
It's time for us to take his whip in hand and start to cope.
I wrote this ballad with intent to give you all the WORD,
The WORD of HOW the money works, I really hope you heard.
If you are one who got the WORD, I must reiterate,
The greatest glory goes to he who makes it replicate.
Just read the ballad right out loud for any friends to hear,
You'll be surprised how readily the WORD stays in their ear.
But for the best reaction, you should try to sing the verse,
And you will find to fit the bill so many tunes diverse.
If you can spread the WORD about the plates to those around,
So they can wise up others too, to Hell they won't be bound,
For the reward in Heaven imminent for all who teach,
Is to attain the place where all the "Friends" of Christ should reach!

I wonder how many people could have done as much in the same
circumstances?
John C. Turmel
---

                WHY DID CHRIST SPEAK IN PARABLES?
     In Matthew 13:10 of the New International Version Bible, it
states:
     "The disciples came to him and asked
     "Why do you speak to the people in parables?"
     He replied:
     "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven have
been given to you but not to them.
     Whoever has abundance will be given even more but whoever does
not have abundance, even what he has will be taken away.
     This is why I speak to them in parables."
     So, why did he speak in parables?
     In one word, what is the meaning of "To everyone who has
abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
even what he has will be taken away?"
     What is the differential equation for "To everyone who has
abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
even what he has will be taken away?"
John C. Turmel
---

Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?

     klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) wrote:

>Christ said "pay your taxes to Caesar".
>Other than that, what relevance to the 'can.taxes' newsgroup
>does your posting have?
>Because the people understood the parables, and could move from
>the "concrete" story to the "abstract" point.
>
>>     In one word, what is the meaning of "To everyone who has
>>abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
>>even what he has will be taken away?"
>
>Faith, or, hope, or trust.  Take your pick.
>
     I can't agree that taking away from the poor who have no
abundance is faith, hope or trust. Neither is giving more to the
rich who already have abundance.

>>     What is the differential equation for "To everyone who has
>>abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
>>even what he has will be taken away?"
>
>  F(x) = exp(x>0)
>
     Close but no cigar yet. You have found the correct general
solution to the differential equation. I'm impressed. But
remember that this differential equation relates to time (t) and
a rate of increase (i). With this, now determine the differential
equation for your solution. And thanks for the serious effort.

     kent_toy@mindlink.bc.ca (Kent Toy) wrote:

>Thanks, but what does this have to do with can.taxes and all the
>other newsgroups you posted to?

     This differential equation explains why half your yearly
earnings are lost in taxes. It really is quite relevant.

     pax@passport.ca (Jason Smith) wrote:

>If John Turmel sent and article to a newsgroup and everyone
>reading it had him kill-filed, would he really make a post?

     I answered:

>>I deduce you can't figure out the differential equation. Do you
>>even know what a differential equation is? I'll give you a hint.
>>Let B be the Balance and i be the interest rate of growth of that
>>Balance. This is so basic, even an economist should be able to
>>do it.

     I figured with that giving him these two out of the three
necessary variables, he might figure it out.

     He answered:

>I know what a differential equation is, John.  Your deduction
>abilities need to be sharpened.  So does your sense of humour.

     And I still haven't seen any attempt at answering the
question with math.

     So with all three variables now exposed:
"B" is the balance, "i" is the rate of increase and "t" is time,
Christ's differential equation for why he spoke in parables so
they don't understand may now be determined. Good luck.

     And of course, kendall@io.org (David Kendall) had to add his
two cents:

> Oh my gawd, now Turmel has been stricken with "Allisat's
>Syndrome".
     I can't imagine what blackboard's he's working on.
John C. "The Engineer" Turmel
---

Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?

     gandalf@infi.net (Michael Ridenhour) wrote:

>     John Turmel writes:
>>     In one word, what is the meaning of "To everyone who has
>>abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
>>even what he has will be taken away?"
>>
>>     What is the differential equation for "To everyone who has
>>abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
>>even what he has will be taken away?"
>>
>Well, I don't think it can be done in one word, at least not by me.
>The equation reads as follows;
>To the believer, he who has been given the gift of eternal life,
>in abundance, will more be given, of faith and of understanding
>of Godly things. To the non-believer, he who has rejected the
>Gospel call, and who therefore has no abundance, even what he
>has, such as false pride, false humility and false belief, it
>will be taken away, leaving him empty and without God.
>That's how I see it.

     I guess this could seem applicable but I don't think it
fits in the other three places which quote his differential
equation for the world's greatest problem. It is mentioned by
Christ in four places:
     Matthew 13:12
     Matthew 25:29
     Luke 19:26
     Luke 8:18

     The differential equation for the solution is given in:
     Paul Corr II 8:14

     As to one word for the name of the function defined by the
differential equation, can you think of anyone or anything which
takes from the poor who have no abundance to give to the rich to
have abundance? I'd bet it is in operation much closer to home
than you would think.

     russelll@delphi.com wrote:

>>      What is the differential equation for "To everyone who has
>> abundance will more be given but from him who has no abundance,
>> even what he has will be taken away?"
>>
>It's an 'interesting proof, but there wasn't enough room in the
>margin.' Read a book or two and maybe you'll have a clue as to
>what I'm talking about.
>
     I'm at a loss at what kind of proof the differential
equation represents. I'd also like to know what books I should
read which might give us a clue as to what you're talking about.
J.C. Turmel
---

Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?
     bob@inforamp.net (Bob Richards) wrote:

>In article <pax-2106952102080001@dial022.passport.ca>,
>pax@passport.ca (Jason Smith) wrote:
>
>> If John Turmel sent and article to a newsgroup and everyone reading it had
>> him kill-filed, would he really make a post?
>
>   Just ignore it.Soon it will go away.Another Allisat wannabee...
>

     Bob Queenan <Bob Queenan> wrote:

>Turmel wrote:
>Too much <plonk!>
>    Bob Q
>=================================================================
>  Without faith in the future, there is no joy in the present.
>=================================================================

     How can there be faith in the future if there is no
curiosity about the past?
     Birds of a feather flock together. It's too bad these guys have
nothing to contribute to the discussion and don't mind telling
everybody about it.
     It must be their inadequacy in dealing with differential
equations that gets such a rise out of them. It also seems
they're not even interested in learning.
     Ignorance is forgivable. Refusing to learn is not.
     How can anyone hope to understand Christ's true mission if
one cannot decipher "why I speak in parables?"
     In my next posting, I will publish Christ's differential
equation and offer the one-word name for it for those people who
did keep up with the topic.
John "The Engineer" Turmel..
---

Subject: Re: TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables?

     u9209263@muss.cis.McMaster.CA (C. Currie) wrote:
>
>Jesus spoke in parables because he was following set Pharisee tradition,
>being a Pharisee himself.  Read Hyam Maccoby's "The Mythmaker" and
>"Revolution In Judea" for proof.
>Currie World
>THAT should annoy them.
>
     I doubt it. Christ called the Pharisees "lovers of money"
and I can't think of a greater insult to his memory than to call
him a Pharisee.
     If insulting a man who came to free the poor from their yoke
of debt slavery oppression is what you had in mind, you succeeded
though it's not something I'd be very proud of.

     cathar@passport.ca wrote:

> johnturmel@yahoo.com (John Turmel) writes:
>
>>     Ignorance is forgivable. Refusing to learn is not.
>
>Ignorance is human, refusing to learn based upon someone elses
>opinions is stupid!
>
     Even if those opinions are right? Not checking out to see if
those opinions are correct seems quite more stupid.

>>     How can anyone hope to understand Christ's true mission if
>>one cannot decipher "why I speak in parables?"
>
>BECAUSE CHRIST WAS STONED ON SOOO MUCH FUCKING ACID (lsd25) THAT HE
>COULDN'T STAND UP LET ALONE SAY A DIRECT CONCISE SENTENCE!!!!!!
><AND PAUL THE EPOSTLE WAS A SEXIST BIGOTED ASSHOLE!!!>
>
     Just because Christ had an understanding of differential
equations and you don't is no reason to credit it to acid. Lots
of university graduates acquire that learning without such drugs.
     I hope you don't think your ignorant diatribe against quite
a great historic hero is going to upset me or others. I'm quite
content to accord the award for the height of ignorance in these
discussions to you. I don't know how you feel about receiving it.
     I hope you don't feel too pleased by that distinction.

>>     In my next posting, I will publish Christ's differential
>>equation and offer the one-word name for it for those people who
>>did keep up with the topic.
>
>Is that Word "SadoNecroHomoBestiality????" <flogging a dead horse>
>==============================================================
>Forget about music and concentrate on generating generation
>gaps.  Terrorize, threaten and insult your own useless generation.
>--Malcolm Maclaren, 1978.
>==============================================================
>
     I guess your motto expresses your inner feelings quite well
though I think you should keep your interest in
SadoNecroHomoBestiality to yourself. Though a description of what
you do in the privacy of your own bedroom is surely your
business, I wish you'd take it to the right forum, if there is
one.
     Maybe you'd have a little love for human-kind if you didn't
spend it all on your odd tastes.
     Do you live on a farm?
 

     Stephen Froehlich <froehlik@physics.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
>On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, John Turmel wrote:
>
>>      It must be their inadequacy in dealing with differential
>> equations that gets such a rise out of them. It also seems
>> they're not even interested in learning.
>
>        What is this obsession with DiffEq?  Life is not second order,
>nor is it linear, nor is it solvable (see Lorenz).  Not even the series
>solution exists, and the phase space has more dimentions than we can
>       Conservation doesn't apply to several of the dimensions, so how
>do you intend to integrate this puppy?
>
     I'm saying I've done it. I'm asking others to try. One
fellow came close. If he could come close, why are you so sure
you can't? I won't disagree that you might not be able to derive
it but I will disagree that he necessarily can't derive it too.
     Your talk of linear, second order, sound like you have taken
the required math to answer the question but your talk of "phase
space," "dimensions," and "conservation" sounds like you haven't.
It wasn't in my study of differential equations in engineering
mathematics.
     So again, what is the differential equation for:
     "To those who have abundance will more be given but from
those who have no abundance, even what they have will be taken
away."
     Where "B" is the original amount, "i" is the rate of
increase and "t" is time.

>>      How can anyone hope to understand Christ's true mission if
>> one cannot decipher "why I speak in parables?"
>
>        By listening to what the parables say instead of trying to
>understand why he used them.  I thought parables were a common teaching
>style at the time for a memory device if nothing else.  Nobody's dense
>enough to not understand Christ's parables.
>
     If they are that easy to understand, why are there so many
different interpretations? And none dealing with his stated
reason for why he spoke in parables?

>>      In my next posting, I will publish Christ's differential
>> equation and offer the one-word name for it for those people who
>> did keep up with the topic.
>
>        This, I gotta see.
>
     And yes you will. It is quite an astounding revelation to
understand what he meant when he said:
     "I speak in parables because ""To those who have abundance
will more be given but from those who have no abundance, even
what they have will be taken away.""
     Breaking this code opens up whole new meanings is everything
he said.
 

     ai542@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Vince Grienti) wrote:

>To respond to " TURMEL: Why did Christ speak in parables";
>
>   Why does John Turmel preface his subject line with TURMEL?  Especially
>   since the name is reflected in the Author portion.
>
     To grab the attention of those who want to read my stuff. I
don't know about you but I scan thousands of titles in a session
with little time to scan the authors. And it works admirably.
Unfortunately, it also draws the attention of some of our slower
bretheren.

     A case in point:

     kendall@io.org (David Kendall) contributed his usual two
cents:

>In article <DAyqGt.HHD@freenet.carleton.ca>, johnturmel@yahoo.com
>(John Turmel) wrote:
>>
>>      In my next posting, I will publish Christ's differential
>> equation and offer the one-word name for it for those people who
>> did keep up with the topic.
>
>That's it, enough already. Call out the guys in white coats.
>
     This guy rarely manages to produce more than one line. And
it's usually lacking in wit as this recent effort. Every time
I've challenged him, he's always backed down and this is all he
has to resort to.
     To him, people who've studied mathematics deserve being
taken away by the guys in white coats. I never knew their coats
were white. I wonder how he did?

     billibek@ix.netcom.com (Billy Beck)'s curiosity was aroused:

>kendall@io.org (David Kendall) wrote:
>>That's it, enough already. Call out the guys in white coats.
>        No!...please!
>        ("Christ's differential equations...")  christ, I wanna see this.
>
     Not everyone is clueless of the interesting nature of what
the answer to this puzzle will be.

     I will add another clue.
     The increment of your abundance relative to the increment of
time equals the percentage increase times your original abundance.

     I await Kendall's next mono-sentence opinon.
J.C. "The Engineer" Turmel

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