Banned from Brantford Poker Casino for coloring up July 14 2005 JCT: John Turmel was banned by the Brantford Charity Casino for 7 days for disregarding the Rule that coloring up $2200 worth of red $5 chips into green $25 chips at the cage first needs the authorisation of the pit boss and floor manager. After having been refused permission to color up chips three times by the floor manager in the past month, this third offence offence of coloring up without permission was judge too flagrant not to punish. I've also been told that I'm permanently banned from coloring up nickel chips into quarters. If I ever get mugged because they forced me to sit in front of mountains of chips, I'll sue them. Any bets this has never happened to anyone else in the world at any time? But you saw it happen at the Brantford Charity Casino! No kidding. They've made coloring up an executive decision! Har har har har. It does give me time to finish my final ultimatum to the poker room to fix up their rules or forever be made fun of. They've insisted on keeping some pretty imbecilic rules. I might even be tempted to see a Superior Court Judge for $150 and ask him if I, a tax-payer, have to stand for inferior government service. Or just turn all the errors and inconveniences into funny tales about the Casino Management From Hell. I was told by my ejector, Michael Harrington, to write to David Austin, head man. Alas or not, a newbie in charge who can plead ignorance about my suggested improvements unless I write to put him on notice that I hold him responsible for keeping the sillier poker game rules. And there are some pretty silly ones. Starting first with the rules making coloring up chips a decision that has to be passed up from the pit to the floor manager. Har har har har. Har har har har. The whole beef can be found at http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/olgc.htm --- July 21 2005 >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:15:07 -0400 >From: crusher73@hotmail.com (Steve Peattie) >Subject: RE: Banned from Brantford Poker Casino for >To: turmel2step@yahoogroups.com SP: Wow, I didn't relised how crazy the place have running since i got an e-mail reguarding about Mr.Turmel's banned from the Casino. I've been working in the Casino industries for 13 years and I've NEVER come cross to any casino that NOT allow colors up rules for the players by any casino but only Brantford Charity Casino. JCT: Now that I've been banned from ever again coloring up, if I ever get mugged after a win, you can bet I'll sue them for turning me into a target that I didn't want to be. Besides, you have to realize that I am usually the only person at the table who has mastered the use of green chips: quarters; so whereas most of the other players use 16 red nickels for their $80 bets, I use one nickel and three quarters. Where others use 32 nickels for their $160 bets, I use two nickels and six quarters. So there was no way in the world I was ever going to use the over 400 reds I'd recently won and so I wanted to convert 20 stacks of reds into 4 stacks of greens. Of course, this rule is based on the rule that players can't take money off the table. But instead of just letting the player inform the dealer or the pit boss that he's coloring up to explain the decrease in his reds, in Brantford, for some reason, they decided to refer it to upper management for a decision so they might say no. Again, it's a decision on a question that has never been posed anywhere before. "Shall we prevent players from coloring up" just never got asked in older casinos with wiser management. Why would they need to prevent players from coloring up? There is just no reason. And yet, in Brantford, they not only gave management the power to prevent players from coloring up but, for no known reason, management has three times used that power to prevent me from coloring up. Think about that? Three different managers said no to something they shouldn't care about. Which explains somewhat why I just did it, without waiting for approval. It feels so stupid asking for permission to color up. Just wait until there's another game across the street and we'll see if they keep banning people for such reasons. I have no doubt they just wanted to give me a rough time. But of course, I did flout their rule and they slapped me down for flouting the rule, not for coloring up. My point is that there shouldn't be rules that get people riled up enough to flout them because they're so stupid. SP: I have nothing to say but to feel ashamed knowing the rule is wrong for the customers and the customers are right when it comes to difference situations when occurred. I would love to leave my name but it may cost my Job since I've sign an oath that I can't talk about confidentially to people outside the Casino. JCT: None of this would have happened if they had not threatened to bar me last year for soliciting when I brought in a petition for a sound-proof door between the slot machines beyond the entrance to the poker room. I'd have drawn up a petition demanding the right to color up whenever we chose and I'd bet most players would have signed. When Trumps Taj Mahal in A.C. changed from a time-charge to rake-off, (which is 50% more expensive @$10/$20), the TajProfessor did a 140-name petition in one weekend. It was no problem and they switched back. Of course, in the US, there is freedom of speech. Here, I have to put my suggestion in the Suggestion Box where they don't answer and it gets ignored. And they prevent petitioning for change en masse. Imagine. A government-run operation has deprived me my right to associate and solicit other citizens for agreement. You can bet that I'd have not flouted any rule that I could have petitioned against. By removing my right to petition for change, it induced me into showing my anger by flouting, rather than challenging, the rule. They gave me no other choice. Then again, maybe there is something I can still do. >Article #3573 (3574 is last): >Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:04:35 -0400 >From: Peter Lizak >Subject: Re: TAJPROFESSOR: TURMEL: Banned from Brantford Poker Casino for coloring up >Newsgroups: alt.fan.john-turmel,rec.gambling.poker, rec.gambling.misc,alt.gambling,can.legal,can.politics PL: Funny, I have never had a problem colouring up there... Mind you, I usually say sir to the floor staff, and please and thank you. Politeness is often forgotten. P JCT: Okay, I think it's more than that too. When you tried to color up, did they take it to the upper management or did the pit boss just nod okay (like some have done for me who mustn't have known that coloring up was now a management decision). Unless management just made it up to harass me. A law suit would bring their management manuel into examination, one great advantage of law suits. Still, this week off has afforded me with the time to plan how I intend to oppose the rules that are imbecilic and arbitrary. Of course, after my complaints to the Ontario Lotteries and Gaming Commission and the Ontario Minister in charge were ignored and I didn't follow them up, they must think I was bluffing when I said it wasn't over. And their pushing me around let's me know they think I'm bluffing. Stay tuned and I'll post what I do at my complaint page: http://www.cyberclass.net/turmel/olgc.htm